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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That's what's so funny about this... when kids get drunk or high or do something dangerous, well, kids will be kids. When they show each other their body parts, it's an outrage that must be stopped.

    Just another faux moral panic created by old people who can't stand these crazy kids and their darned cell phones and technology. If they did it as a kid it's ok, otherwise its a danger to society. It happens all the time, always has and probably always will.
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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually, you are kinda confused here. The law makes it's arbitrary line due to best guesses about personal ability. We designate 18 as being an adult, since at that point, generally, more often than not, hopefully, people will be able to act as adults. Individual's are different, but you cannot craft a law that takes this into account.
    Except that nobody was talking about laws until you brought it up. That's where you're confused; Kandahar was talking about maturity, and you responded as if he was talking about legality.

    Frankly though, it's at the height of stupidity to have laws against sexting anyways, not to mention enforce those laws. It's illegal for an adult to make a move on a minor, but the minor will not get arrested for doing anything with an adult, or another minor. The same logic should apply here. Consent laws are there to protect minors, not persecute them. So maybe someone gets embarrassed. Is it better that they are embarrased and also punished? Actually, I think I recall a story about a girl in that very situation who then killed herself. Underage stupidity should not be illegal. Unless it is physically/mortally dangerous stupidity, like drug and alcohol use. Sexting isn't even in the same league.

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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Is a 30 y/o male and a 16 y/o female fair game? What's the limit?
    That's a bit different than 23 and 17.
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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    That's a bit different than 23 and 17.
    Intentionally so.

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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think the people of California set the age of consent so high because they realize how unprepared their children are until the older ages. I would've expected to see an age of consent of 18 exist in ultra conservative states as that's the stereotype, but then it follows that a conservative family would raise more responsible children, better able to handle the world earlier on. Children from Liberal homes tend to seek sex about 2 years earlier than children from Conservative homes. Here in SD the age of consent for sex is 14, and marriage with parental consent at 16. Our children have a longer leash because they're more responsible. CA knows that their failed public education system and Progressive policies retard their children development, so let them decide what their age of consent is for themselves. If you don't like it, don't live there.

    Really? Because according to this http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf ; here are the states with the highest rates of teen pregnancy:

    1. New Mexico
    2. Nevada
    3. Arizona
    4. Texas
    5. Mississippi
    6. Delaware
    7. Arkansas
    8. Georgia
    9. Tennessee
    10. South Carolina

    I see a lot of Conservative states on there with a lot of pregnant teenagers.

    By the way, California ranks 15 (still pretty high - but lower than other states with large Latino populations - which is also a notable trend among several of the states listed here).

    Further, the liberal states of New England tend to make up the predominance of the bottom 10.

    So, facts trump your anecdote.

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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So this thread is all about a right wing conservative father with sexual issues that cant accept that his daughter is growing up? The father should be thrown in jail for not only being a moron but attempted murder.
    No, this thread is all about a left wing liberal father with sexual issues that cant accept that his daughter is growing up..... it's California afterall.
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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Is a 30 y/o male and a 16 y/o female fair game? What's the limit?
    In CO it's ok. Age of consent here is 16. That's probably about right for age of consent laws. The 23 yr old and the 17 year old isn't all that bad. I like how people freak out and pretend there's child porn or some other stupid crap. A 17 year old is not a child.

    We really go overboard on this issue a lot. At some point we may have to step back and start using our brains. I know, I know; it's a lot harder and not as fun as just running off of knee-jerk emotional responses. But it will serve us much better in the long run.
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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Really? Because according to this http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf ; here are the states with the highest rates of teen pregnancy:

    1. New Mexico
    2. Nevada
    3. Arizona
    4. Texas
    5. Mississippi
    6. Delaware
    7. Arkansas
    8. Georgia
    9. Tennessee
    10. South Carolina

    I see a lot of Conservative states on there with a lot of pregnant teenagers.

    By the way, California ranks 15 (still pretty high - but lower than other states with large Latino populations - which is also a notable trend among several of the states listed here).

    Further, the liberal states of New England tend to make up the predominance of the bottom 10.

    So, facts trump your anecdote.
    You fail at statistics... just because a more conservative state has a higher teen pregnancy rate does not mean that it is the conservatives in those states which have the pregnant teens.

    And as for "the liberal states of New England tend to make up the predominance of the bottom 10", let's take a look at the actual bottom ten:

    41. Iowa
    42. Nebraska
    43. Massachusetts
    44. Wisconsin
    45. Utah
    46. North Dakota
    47. Minnesota
    48. Maine
    49. Vermont
    50. New Hampshire

    Bold = deep blue state, Underline = deep red state

    3 of 10 is hardly the "predominance". In fact, it's the same as the number of very conservative states on the list. According to Cook PVI, the bluest state - Vermont - and the reddest state - Utah - are both on the list. Maybe that ought to tell you something.

    And Jerry was at least right about his state, which is just above the top 10 at #40. But mostly, it looks like you can't determine things like teen pregnancy by the overall ideology of a state.
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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    i think the dad went over the top, particularly if the images had not been anywhere but between the two of them.. additionally if you consider that she obviously was allowed to "spend alot of time out of view" so to speak; what did he expect with so much freedom?
    though in a bit of contrast, i cant say that i wouldnt do something as crazy over my daughter, if the intent were to slander..

    as for the questions of "legal age of consent", ill throw this out... i was 17 when i enlisted.
    seems im capable enough to pick up a weapon to keep the wolf away, but i couldnt drink, couldnt vote and i couldnt legally consent to sex.. is that a bunch of crap or what?

    they(the state/federal govt) sure didnt mind me filing income taxes since 15, but i still wasnt viewed as being capable of consent to.. well.. anything.. until the magical moment i turned 18.

    who makes these imaginary lines of consent?
    and why are there so many variations by state?

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    Re: Dad Accused of Using Stun Gun on Daughter's Friend Over Naked Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So this thread is all about a right wing conservative father with sexual issues that cant accept that his daughter is growing up? The father should be thrown in jail for not only being a moron but attempted murder.
    My guess is that the only reason you would mention the word "conservative" is because of your own bais. Unless you have evidence of this, we can just accept that it is nothing but your opinion, which, without any facts, is valueless.

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