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Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

Stop cultivating the Liberal double standard and see the word for the racial slur that it is.

Boy that freakin' white-hatin' Jeff Foxworthy! He's keepin' the white man down by talking about his own redneck culture.

I don't get where you equate it to the n-word. It's primarily used by white people about white people. Honkey or Cracker is the equivalent term (i.e. used by non-whites against whites).

Redneck is used more frequently by people CLAIMING to be one than I see it as an insult. It can be used as an insult, yes. It's a classist term, though. Not racist.

Please stop trying to play the "white victim" and simply point out that it's bad manners to insult others. But until you can get Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy to stop using the term, you're going to have a hard time convincing ANYONE that it's a racist term. Mainly - because it isn't.
 
Boy that freakin' white-hatin' Jeff Foxworthy! He's keepin' the white man down by talking about his own redneck culture.

I don't get where you equate it to the n-word. It's primarily used by white people about white people. Honkey or Cracker is the equivalent term (i.e. used by non-whites against whites).

Redneck is used more frequently by people CLAIMING to be one than I see it as an insult. It can be used as an insult, yes. It's a classist term, though. Not racist.

Please stop trying to play the "white victim" and simply point out that it's bad manners to insult others. But until you can get Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy to stop using the term, you're going to have a hard time convincing ANYONE that it's a racist term. Mainly - because it isn't.

Just like that racist Chris Rock, with all his nigger jokes. Right?

"A black ain't never stole from me...but a nigger has!" --Chris Rock

I guess since Chris Rock can use it, it's ok for anyone to use it. Yes?

You have logic all over your face, because it just blew up.
 
Just like that racist Chris Rock, with all his nigger jokes. Right?

"A black ain't never stole from me...but a nigger has!" --Chris Rock

I guess since Chris Rock can use it, it's ok for anyone to use it. Yes?

You're still equating a classist term with a racist term. I don't think black rappers or comedians should use the n-word, either. But "redneck" is not the "n-word". A better equation from the black community is the (largely dated) term "high yellow" - which was an insult used by dark-skinned blacks against light-skinned blacks. Even then, that's truly a racial remark as opposed to classist remark.

Just as Rock reclaims the n-word, though. Foxworthy using redneck is a reclamation of that term. Most linguists believe that it was long used as a point of pride; but became an insult at least by the 1970s (probably earlier).

You can and should read The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. It outlines who arguments like we are actually having right now are common distractions created for us by the wealthy. As long as they keep the working and middle classes fighting amongst themselves, they keep getting richer.

These things are merely distractions from real issues. Same with gays, abortion, etc. Both parties do it - but Republicans have gotten really good at it. They've gotten people to vote against their own self-interest because they've become delusional enough to believe that they'll one day join the wealthiest classes. And the Televangelists (who take people's money to line their pockets and build gigantic homes) have left Christ's message of "love the poor" to "abhor the poor". Prosperity theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
You're still equating a classist term with a racist term. I don't think black rappers or comedians should use the n-word, either. But "redneck" is not the "n-word". A better equation from the black community is the (largely dated) term "high yellow" - which was an insult used by dark-skinned blacks against light-skinned blacks. Even then, that's truly a racial remark as opposed to classist remark.

Just as Rock reclaims the n-word, though. Foxworthy using redneck is a reclamation of that term. Most linguists believe that it was long used as a point of pride; but became an insult at least by the 1970s (probably earlier).

You can and should read The Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. It outlines who arguments like we are actually having right now are common distractions created for us by the wealthy. As long as they keep the working and middle classes fighting amongst themselves, they keep getting richer.

These things are merely distractions from real issues. Same with gays, abortion, etc. Both parties do it - but Republicans have gotten really good at it. They've gotten people to vote against their own self-interest because they've become delusional enough to believe that they'll one day join the wealthiest classes. And the Televangelists (who take people's money to line their pockets and build gigantic homes) have left Christ's message of "love the poor" to "abhor the poor". Prosperity theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Oh, so the new excuse is, "classist"? You guys are really reaching.
 
Oh, so the new excuse is, "classist"? You guys are really reaching.

Except its not an excuse. Its a comment on culture or as filmfestguy refers to social or economic class (as in the tendancy for a redneck to be poor or lower middle class). I personally don't think classist is the best descriptive term, but I can see that it is pretty good.
 
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Excuse me I have something to say here, I did not intend to use the term "red neck" to be any kind of racial, cultural, or social slur in any way. The comment was not directed any one group or person in particular, I used the term adding "itude" on the end because I intended it to be taken entirely humorously, making fun of myself and the town I lived it. If I, a white boy from Georgia and Arizona, who drinks while I shoot, shoots while I drink, kills and eats animals I find in my backyard, who smokes, dips, and drinks whiskey all at the same time can't use the word "red-neck" as a joke in reference to a funny story, well then I don't know what the world's coming to.

So I ask cooler heads to prevail and those arguing that some offense has been made, remember all those time we've seen stories of over the top reactions to minor or non-existant racial slurs. And those arguing its no big deal, well kudos keep at it.
 
So I ask cooler heads to prevail and those arguing that some offense has been made, remember all those time we've seen stories of over the top reactions to minor or non-existant racial slurs. And those arguing its no big deal, well kudos keep at it.

I use racial slurs all the time without any intent to give offense. I'm not offended by your use of the word "redneck", but still consider it to belong to the same class of words as other racial slurs.
 
The next time an hispanic, or black person says something stupid are you going to call it, "spickitude"? Or, "niggertude"? I'm betting, uh, no!

Vive la Double Standard!!!!

BS. Redneck is not a race, but an attitude. Nice try, and thanx for playing.
 
School Board revisted the issue and voted Not to have the mural changed. Saw it on Channel 5 news Phoenix.
So not much of a issue anymore.
 
The words "spic" and "wetback" aren't racial terms, but I wouldn't recommend casual usage of them. "Spic" is actually linguistic; it refers to how the native Spanish speaker would pronounce "speak," as in "I no spic Ingles." Spanish speakers aren't a race, and Spanish is a European language, at that. "Wetback" refers to people who emigrated from Mexico to the United States, and is associated with the water crossing in the Rio Grande. Anyone can migrate in such a way, and the descendants of those people born in the U.S. aren't wetbacks, since they didn't emigrate.

They're probably used with racial intent, since people perceive mestizos (properly Indians) as "Spanish" and as immigrants, but those aren't in line with the accurate origins or meanings.
 
School Board revisted the issue and voted Not to have the mural changed. Saw it on Channel 5 news Phoenix.
So not much of a issue anymore.


Um... I'm pretty sure it is still an issue.
Discrimination against minorities is making a comeback; I find it very ominous that conservative municipal and state-level politicians and community leaders are now finding it politically advantageous to be openly racist.
 
Um... I'm pretty sure it is still an issue.
Discrimination against minorities is making a comeback; I find it very ominous that conservative municipal and state-level politicians and community leaders are now finding it politically advantageous to be openly racist.

I think its because the balance of power between races is starting to shift due to changes in demographics and white people will soon no longer be a majority vs all other races.
 
I think its because the balance of power between races is starting to shift due to changes in demographics and white people will soon no longer be a majority vs all other races.

Unfortunately, they'll still be the privileged class and comprise the power structure, though.
I mean, whites weren't the "majority race" in the deep South during the 1800s, either.
Blacks outnumbered them many times over.
It doesn't mean whites weren't still perfectly capable of oppressing everyone around them.
They need not start up with their bull**** again; I don't care how much of a "minority" they become.
 
Yeah "red neck" is a word referring to, typically, ignorant southern racist poor white people. I'm not sure calling it a "racial slur" is accurate.

Of COURSE it is...especially when USED as an ethnic slur. THere are many blacks who use the word 'nigger'...that doesnt make it any less racist when someone else uses it in a derogitory manner towards blacks. Redneck is no different.

"Hey ___________...what the **** is happening man? Good to see you"


"Eat **** you stupid ****ing ________________"

Substitue any racial slang you want...
 
Unfortunately, they'll still be the privileged class and comprise the power structure, though.
I mean, whites weren't the "majority race" in the deep South during the 1800s, either.
Blacks outnumbered them many times over.
It doesn't mean whites weren't still perfectly capable of oppressing everyone around them.
They need not start up with their bull**** again; I don't care how much of a "minority" they become.

Wait...do you mean the whites or the blacks?
OK...seriously...I get your meaning...but MAYBE the world would be a better place if we meant EVERYONE and had/have a higher expectation OF everyone...
 
So I ask cooler heads to prevail and those arguing that some offense has been made, remember all those time we've seen stories of over the top reactions to minor or non-existant racial slurs. And those arguing its no big deal, well kudos keep at it.

Excuse me I have something to say here, I did not intend to use the term "nigger" to be any kind of racial, cultural, or social slur in any way. The comment was not directed any one group or person in particular, I used the term adding "itude" on the end because I intended it to be taken entirely humorously, making fun of myself and the town I lived it. If I, a black boy from Georgia and Arizona, who drinks while I shoot, shoots while I drink, kills and eats animals I find in my backyard, who smokes, dips, and drinks whiskey all at the same time can't use the word "nigger" as a joke in reference to a funny story, well then I don't know what the world's coming to.
 
Um... I'm pretty sure it is still an issue.
Discrimination against minorities is making a comeback; I find it very ominous that conservative municipal and state-level politicians and community leaders are now finding it politically advantageous to be openly racist.

and I find in disturbing when the race card is played to hide the real issue. IMO that was not the case with the mural. It is in the case of SB1070.
 
Hi all. New here.
I live in Prescott. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It isn't about race, it never was. The people involved have their own agenda. They figure by calling the opposition racists and bigots they will silence them. The former mayor Jack Wilson has a major axe to grind with Councilman Blair. Here's the woman spearheading the recall of our Councilman. Blog Our RE Director Seems she and her group have nothing better to do than find something to protest! I'm just doing my part to help spread the truth!
 
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