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Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

And niggers are a race?
No - it's a racial slur for black people.

Red-Neck is a racial slur for white people. Same with cracker and honky.

You don't have to be white to be a redneck. Any ol' hick will do. Stupidity isn't limited to just white people.
 
No, you said that all white, poor, rural southern whites are racist.

I just reread all my statements in this thread. I do not see where I said that. Please quote it.

Typically mixed raced, but there are several variants.

Ok. I will wait for a real definition. I would like a culture, a history, and more before a judgement call could be made.


I thought Liberals didn't believe in racial superiority (. Or, is it only ok when making one's self superior to whites? You comments would justify Jim Crow laws, because southern blacks are inferior to blacks in other parts of the country. Basically: "Southern blacks are niggers and northern blacks are African-Americans".

I don't believe in racial superiority. I believe in cultural superiority which really is pretty normal, people tend to think their way of life is the best one). There is a huge difference in my view, even if all members of a particular culture happen to share a race. Also, I do not believe that cultures should be legally discriminated against.

Why do you keep using my comments to jump off to absurd conclusions and attribute things to me that I never wrote? Can you actually argue what is in front of you or so you have to make things up to make a point?
 
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So is wetback but it's still racist.

from Wikipedia

Wetback is a person of Latin American descent. It applies to those who have crossed the border illegally, but it is widely applied to all Latinos. The term originated with Mexicans that entered Texas from Mexico by crossing the Rio Grande,[1] presumably by swimming or wading across and getting his or her back wet in the process.
 
You don't have to be white to be a redneck. Any ol' hick will do. Stupidity isn't limited to just white people.

This is pretty much how I feel about the issue. Honestly, I see an American Redneck as essentially the same type of person as an English Chav or a guy from La Raza or any number of cultural bigoted groups in places like New York City (like a greaser, guido, (even the sharks and jets from west side story)). They are all pretty much the same type of idiot even though they were born in different places and to different races.
 
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You don't have to be white to be a redneck. Any ol' hick will do. Stupidity isn't limited to just white people.

One doesn't have to be black to be a nigger, either. Right?
 
The bottom line is, one can't decry racism and hate other people on the basis that those people are racists, then turn around and engage in racism, just because it's the politically correct thing to do...then scream to high heaven about how you are this all inclusive, all tolerant non-racist wonder person.


Where did you get that from the article?
 
One doesn't have to be black to be a nigger, either. Right?

From wikipedia:

Nigger is a noun in the English language, most notable for its usage in a pejorative context to refer to black people (generally people who were originally from Africa), and also as an informal slang term, among other contexts. It is a common ethnic slur. The word originated as a term used in a neutral context to refer to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger, meaning the color "black".[1][2][3][4]

I don't see where it states that the term nigger refers to a subset of black people. So nigger is not interchangeable with redneck as they refer to different types of things.
 
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Where did you get that from the article?

I don't know missy, but I am beginning to suspect that adpst is only having half of his conversation with us on this forum as determined by the number of things he is pulling out of his rear end.
 
I just reread all my statements in this thread. I do not see where I said that. Please quote it.

Right here, my man.

Its not a double standard. Redneck is directed towards a group of people who share a certain common culture. This culture is usually rural and poor to lower middle class, along with other common elements, such as an affinity to country music, and a love of hunting and/or farming. I agree that one of the features of this subculture are that these people tend to be white. Another common element of this culture is racism.





Ok. I will wait for a real definition. I would like a culture, a history, and more before a judgement call could be made.

Sure thing, bro.

High yellow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




I don't believe in racial superiority. I believe in cultural superiority which really is pretty normal, people tend to think their way of life is the best one). There is a huge difference in my view, even if all members of a particular culture happen to share a race. Also, I do not believe that cultures should be legally discriminated against.

Why do you keep using my comments to jump off to absurd conclusions and attribute things to me that I never wrote? Can you actually argue what is in front of you or so you have to make things up to make a point?

When speaking of whites, you call it cultural superiority. When speaking of blacks, you call it racsim. Double standards suck.
 
I don't know missy, but I am beginning to suspect that adpst is only having half of his conversation with us on this forum as determined by the number of things he is pulling out of his rear end.


I think it's very odd that the article itself hasn't really been discussed by the people throwing around all the racist terminology.


The fact is that the mural contained no words at all yet the actions it prompted spoke volumes.


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Where did you get that from the article?

Where did I say I was referring to the article. Stay on topic with our off-topic discussion. Thanks!
 
Right here, my man.

megaprogman said:
Its not a double standard. Redneck is directed towards a group of people who share a certain common culture. This culture is usually rural and poor to lower middle class, along with other common elements, such as an affinity to country music, and a love of hunting and/or farming. I agree that one of the features of this subculture are that these people tend to be white. Another common element of this culture is racism

There I pointed it out to you, its in bold. Its the culture, not the race. I cannot be any more clear than this and if you cannot get it, I feel sorry for you.


Interesting, I had never heard that term before. However, the primary attribute to this term is racial and not cultural.

When speaking of whites, you call it cultural superiority. When speaking of blacks, you call it racsim. Double standards suck.

Its not a double standard. I do believe in cultural superiority because I believe that many cultures encourage bad habits that inhibits people from fully developing themselves as human beings. The redneck culture is one such culture. The majority of the middle east contains several cultures that I feel the same way about As well as several cultures in the East and South America. I feel that way about Quebecois culture as well. They all share the same level of suck in my mind.

I am amazed that you cannot make the distinction between genetics and behavior.
 
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There I pointed it out to you, its in bold. Its the culture, not the race. I cannot be any more clear than this and if you cannot get it, I feel sorry for you.

there, I pointed it out for you:

Originally Posted by megaprogman
Its not a double standard. Redneck is directed towards a group of people who share a certain common culture. This culture is usually rural and poor to lower middle class, along with other common elements, such as an affinity to country music, and a love of hunting and/or farming. I agree that one of the features of this subculture are that these people tend to be white. Another common element of this culture is racism



Interesting, I had never heard that term before. However, the primary attribute to this term is racial and not cultural.

They're not black and historically, havn't been accepted within either the black, or white communities. So yes, they are a sub-culture.
 
there, I pointed it out for you:.

I see nothing wrong with that statement. All culturals promote certain behaviors and beliefs. And if I believe those behaviors and beliefs are wrong (and I feel that racism is wrong, you seem to as well), than that culture has an element to it that I find harmful. However, this is a behavioral thing, not a race thing. Race is primarily genetic while culture is primarily behavioral. I don't care about the genetic parts one way or another as people are people, but I do have a major problem with certain behaviors (as we all do)


They're not black and historically, havn't been accepted within either the black, or white communities. So yes, they are a sub-culture

Culture is primarily behavior, as I stated. So unless these people have something in their genes that make them all behave a certain way, than they are not a subculture. Perhaps a subethnicity, but not a subculture.

However, I am starting to understand your thinking and I see where you are confused.

Let me lay it out for you in this manner (as I have, because perhaps it will be helpful)

Race - genetic
Culture - behavior and belief
 
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I see nothing wrong with that statement. All culturals promote certain behaviors and beliefs. And if I believe those behaviors and beliefs are wrong (and I feel that racism is wrong, you seem to as well), than that culture has an element to it that I find harmful. However, this is a behavioral thing, not a race thing. Race is primarily genetic while culture is primarily behavioral. I don't care about the genetic parts one way or another as people are people, but I do have a major problem with certain behaviors (as we all do)




Culture is primarily behavior, as I stated. So unless these people have something in their genes that make them all behave a certain way, than they are not a subculture. Perhaps a subethnicity, but not a subculture.

However, I am starting to understand your thinking and I see where you are confused.

Let me lay it out for you in this manner (as I have, because perhaps it will be helpful)

Race - genetic
Culture - behavior and belief

You support racism. Just admit it.
 
You support racism. Just admit it.

I would if I did.

I have already stated that I am biased against cultures and that is not something often uttered in polite company, so trust me, I am being honest here.
 
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Mega & Adpst--Did either of you ever respond to the article itself and share your opinions of it?
 
Mega & Adpst--Did either of you ever respond to the article itself and share your opinions of it?

Oh, I think the mural is ugly, but it should not be changed as I see nothing racially wrong with it.

I think the colors are way too bright though and there isn't enough realism in it for my taste. Its too cartoonish.
 
I would if I did.

I have already stated that I am biased against cultures and that is not something often uttered in polite company, so trust me, I am being honest here.


Basically, what you're saying, is that all blacks and hispanics are the same and there are no sub-cultures in either community.
 
Mega & Adpst--Did either of you ever respond to the article itself and share your opinions of it?


Do you mind? We're trying to have a fast paced, off-topic conversation here. Thank you!
 
Basically, what you're saying, is that all blacks and hispanics are the same and there are no sub-cultures in either community.

I think that race is mostly cosmetic, at least according to what I have read about the science of it, so yes, all people are essentially the same when it comes to their genetics.

Culturally, people can be very different.

I still don't know why you keep putting those two very different things together.
 
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Do you mind? We're trying to have a fast paced, off-topic conversation here. Thank you!

Don't be rude. Missypea is making a very important point. We did hijack this thread.
 
I think that race is mostly cosmetic, at least according to what I have read about the science of it, so yes, all people are essentially the same when it comes to their genetics.

Culturally, people can be very different.

That's ****in' funny, dude!!
 
That's ****in' funny, dude!!

You are out of arguments I see.

Lets try another angle.

Why do you want to say that race and culture are the same thing?
 
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