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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I never claimed that it wasn't adpst. I claimed that it did not matter. Please try to understand my argument.
    Stop cultivating the Liberal double standard and see the word for the racial slur that it is.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stop cultivating the Liberal double standard and see the word for the racial slur that it is.
    Its not a double standard. Redneck is directed towards a group of people who share a certain common culture. This culture is usually rural and poor to lower middle class, along with other common elements, such as an affinity to country music, and a love of hunting and/or farming. I agree that one of the features of this subculture are that these people tend to be white. Another common element of this culture is racism.

    However, in this case, the charge of redneckitude was directed towards the racism of this culture and how that racism is undesirable to other elements of society.

    This is pretty cut and dry.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its not a double standard. Redneck is directed towards a group of people who share a certain common culture. This culture is usually rural and lower middle class, along with other common elements. I agree that one of the features of this subculture are that these people tend to be white. Another common element of this culture is racism.

    However, in this case, the charge of redneckitude was directed towards the racism of this culture and how that racism is undesirable to other elements of society.

    This is pretty cut and dry.
    And, they're all white. Get a grip, sir!

    Racism exists in every culture. Please, don't act as if it doesn't. Wanna see some real racism? Get a group of black dudes started on Mexicans, or Vietnamese. Then, you'll know what racism really is.

    I'll be so glad when political correctness dies the death that it deserves.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Wow I actually agree with apdst on this one. Redneck is a word used to portray rural southerners as stupid, inbred freaks. It is an attack on poor southern rural workers and its use should be condemned.

    I'll be so glad when political correctness dies the death that it deserves.
    I agree that political correctness has reached a ridiculous point but I don't think it's correct or reasonable to put white racism on an equal level as racism by minorities.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, they're all white. Get a grip, sir!

    Racism exists in every culture. Please, don't act as if it doesn't. Wanna see some real racism? Get a group of black dudes started on Mexicans, or Vietnamese. Then, you'll know what racism really is.

    I'll be so glad when political correctness dies the death that it deserves.
    Yes, they are white, but again, that is not relevant because the charge in this case was not directed towards their whiteness, but their racism. As I mentioned, racism is common in this culture. Really though, you are overreacting and not looking at this issue for what it actually is.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Wow I actually agree with apdst on this one. Redneck is a word used to portray rural southerners as stupid, inbred freaks. It is an attack on poor southern rural workers and its use should be condemned.
    I agree, accept that it's not only used to refer to poor, rural Southerners.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    I agree, accept that it's not only used to refer to poor, rural Southerners.
    True but it's generally used to identify people with that stereotype.

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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Wow I actually agree with apdst on this one. Redneck is a word used to portray rural southerners as stupid, inbred freaks. It is an attack on poor southern rural workers and its use should be condemned.

    I agree that political correctness has reached a ridiculous point but I don't think it's correct or reasonable to put white racism on an equal level as racism by minorities.
    Perhaps it is a matter of perspective. I live in a rural Georgia town and I commonly see the term redneck applied to a specific group people, not everyone here who happens to be white. To me there is a distinct difference.

    But not every white dude in my town is a redneck.
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post

    But not every white dude in my town is a redneck.
    No, but every redneck in your town is a white dude...
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    Re: Altered mural fuels racial debate in Prescott

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, but every redneck in your town is a white dude...
    That doesn't matter.

    It would be like people freaking out for going after La Raza because all members happen to be Mexican. When it is clear that there is something screwed up about La Raza. It is the same with rednecks. (and yes, I think that culture is screwed up)
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