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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    Much like the PKK is a product of Turkey's policies, Hamas too is a product of Israeli policies. This whole "i love perfect Israel" rhetoric aside, we need to be rational and realize that Israel DOES have major flaws with its policies against Gaza, and it needs to be addressed. The population in Gaza is highly dissatisfied. Now, they wont be fully content until they grab East Jerusalem, but they wont need the likes of Hamas in the event the unjust blockade is lifted. The election of Hamas reflects this discontent against Israeli policies. Nobody votes for terrorist governments unless they are pinned against the wall. The security concerns of lifting the blockade is legit; my point is, its nothing normal border controls cannot contain. Israel restricts the entrance of many basic commodities. "Aid" is not enough, it should not make you feel good about yourselves because you let some through. A nation has the right to achieve its own economic goals without interference.
    Well if the people of Gaza signed a peace agreement along with Israel complying to 90 percent of their request back during the Clinton peace accord, there would be peace but, Arafat refused and Hamas picked up the mantle and is now running with it. Israel giving up land along with 90 percent of the palistinian demands, i would venture to say Palistine would have made out and would not be in a humantarian crisis currently. That said, yes Israel has flaws in it's policies and as you quoted it's becausee of Hamas, so does Hamas act outside the rules of war as to get israel to behave in such a fashion. Hamas and it's policies perhasp is to trap israel into making such decision as to gain victory in the eyes of the world in a PR war by proxy.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    And radical Kurds where created as a result of years of Turkish oppression which spread hatred in the Kurdish community which continues to exist today,
    Oppression doesn't create terrorism:

    One of the best known, most comprehensive, and most often cited of these efforts is a profile developed by Russell and Miller (1977110) based on a compilation of published data regarding over 350 individual terrorist cadres and leaders across 18 different Palestinian, Japanese, German, Italian, Turkish, Irish, Spanish, Iranian, Argentina, Brazilian, and Uruguayan terrorist groups active during the 1966-1976 time span. The prototype derived from their composite described a young (22-25), unmarried male who is an urban resident, from a middle-upper class family, has some university education and probably held an extremist political philosophy.

    http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.pdf
    Most terrorists are middle class and relatively well educated, which hardly speaks to overt oppression. And once again oppression does not justify terrorism, there are legitimate ways and illegitimate ways to go about obtaining ones goals, the oppressed who use the legitimate ways are heroic and freedom fighters and those who use illegitimate means to obtain their ends are criminals and terrorists.


    It transformed itself to a paramilitary organization, it was initially a branch of a political party and this transformation took place under Abdullah Ocalan with communist support.
    It was never a non-terrorist party it was never a branch of a non-terrorist political party, radicals broke off of existing non-violent left leaning parties and formed a coalition of violent terrorists.

    I didn't say it got a majority of the Kurdish support, but it did enjoy relatively high numbers of support from Kurds nonetheless - mainly from Northern Iraq, where they launch there attacks.
    Prove it.

    When the Americans and Turks where trying to root out bases in Kirkuk, the Kurdish communities would refuse to name the names of the leaders and the location of the bases despite complete anonymity. It's like a damn Sicilian community when the people just dont talk.
    Its the way of the world. The only way foward is the Turkish Kurdish Democratic initiative.
    It has already reduced its support.
    The Kurdish people have already been given the opportunity to have an autonomous country of their own, they rejected it and instead opted to maintain ties with the central Iraqi government. The people have spoken, the PKK is SOL.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Well if the people of Gaza signed a peace agreement along with Israel complying to 90 percent of their request back during the Clinton peace accord, there would be peace but, Arafat refused and Hamas picked up the mantle and is now running with it. Israel giving up land along with 90 percent of the palistinian demands, i would venture to say Palistine would have made out and would not be in a humantarian crisis currently. That said, yes Israel has flaws in it's policies and as you quoted it's becausee of Hamas, so does Hamas act outside the rules of war as to get israel to behave in such a fashion. Hamas and it's policies perhasp is to trap israel into making such decision as to gain victory in the eyes of the world in a PR war by proxy.
    You do know the Palestinians will never be fully content? I realize that. I also respect the fact that East Jerusalem has become very much part of Israel. Therefore, yes, they do reserve the right to keep it. But the blockade? Still useless.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Oppression doesn't create terrorism:
    Doesn't it? The oppression of a paticular ideological group doesn't cause the radicalism of that sect, in many instances?

    Most terrorists are middle class and relatively well educated, which hardly speaks to overt oppression. And once again oppression does not justify terrorism, there are legitimate ways and illegitimate ways to go about obtaining ones goals, the oppressed who use the legitimate ways are heroic and freedom fighters and those who use illegitimate means to obtain their ends are criminals and terrorists.
    If they are educated or not is irrelevant to me. Im not saying it justified terrorism otherwise id probably not waste my time in the army.


    It was never a non-terrorist party it was never a branch of a non-terrorist political party, radicals broke off of existing non-violent left leaning parties and formed a coalition of violent terrorists.
    Read up on DTP.

    Prove it.
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Kurds show coded support for PKK
    In this part of Turkey Amine Yigit is not alone in losing a loved one to the PKK.

    The south-eastern flank of the country is a Kurdish heartland where most of the nation's 20 million Kurds live.

    Kurdish political leaders will tell you (in private) that at least 80% of their people support the rebels and are proud if a family member is "living in the mountains."

    The Kurdish people have already been given the opportunity to have an autonomous country of their own, they rejected it and instead opted to maintain ties with the central Iraqi government. The people have spoken, the PKK is SOL.
    Really? Please tell me. What steps have the Iraqi government in Kirkuk taken to stop PKK activities?

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hitler was legally appointed to chancelor, too. Should we have just left him alone? The only reason Hamas isn't doing what Hitler did, is because they can't.




    Hamas has declared war upon Israel. Israel has every right to defend herself, however she sees fit. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace. But, the election of Hamas proves that the Palestinians aren't interested in peace, only the destruction of Israel.
    So if some crazy republicans scream "Lets go to war with (blah blah blah doesn't matter)!!!".. does the defending side get to have complete control over all repups with threat of instant death always around some bend close by?
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    You do know the Palestinians will never be fully content? I realize that. I also respect the fact that East Jerusalem has become very much part of Israel. Therefore, yes, they do reserve the right to keep it. But the blockade? Still useless.
    I would tend to think that any strategy or negotiations at this time or in the future will be useless as long as Hamas is in charge. The shame of it all is that the Palistinian people are more closely related to Israelis than they are with Arabs or even Semites.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    I just want to point out that if Turkey's PM is signaling a new shift away from western values, then we got an even more unstable situation in the middle east - making the U.S.-Israeli tie even more critical (and Obama/Netanyahu seems to be loosening that tie)...especially with Iran going out of control.

    And we saw Egypt temporarily opening the tunnels with Gaza, in response to the flotilla incidence.

    Israel may become the last country in the middle east sharing America's values. Cooperation between Netanyahu and Obama is vital (unless, that is, Obama has only 2 years left ) ...
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Actually the #$%@$ ing up of the Israeli US relations is cause of Bibi DUMBASS Netanyahu
    You could not find anyone stupider than this sack of sh*t just sayin ^^

    Also who gives a flying fudge cycle about Turky? What do they provide us other than some cheap summer vacation places to check out?

    The deal is Hamas has it in their "constitution" or w/e you want to call it that Israel must parish, thats even beyond an act of war, its just about saying this nation is being founded on the end goal of getting rid of Israel, its like the crusades but Palestinian style..
    no offense to anyone, but its typical Europe to mistake tyranny with Democracy ( I may of made a fail there xD )
    Cause only In France can you pass a direct anti democratic law
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Here's some facts about Hamas and it's movement "deeds" for the past 15 years: it's a tabulation so dont fear of a long article

    List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hamas is a popular member there...
    Last edited by ferrugem; 06-06-10 at 08:23 AM.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    Also who gives a flying fudge cycle about Turky? What do they provide us other than some cheap summer vacation places to check out?
    Anyone who has a interest in the ME should care about Turkey and its actions and the impact it will have on the ME.

    It is a member of NATO and has access to EU's President and economic ties. It is closer to Europe I would argue than Israel is.
    It is close to the Arab nations surrounding Israel and also Iran/Syria and more importantly Russia/China.

    Turkey has moved away from the West and seems to me to be moving into the Iranian axis which would spell danger to Israel.
    I kinda admire Turkey's guts, its moving itself into a strategic position of being the go-between guy between US/West and the Arab nations.


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