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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Surrounds perhaps not the best choice of words. Blockades, controls borders of, sends troops in to.
    Remember that Israel abandoned Gaza voluntarily as part of Sharon's plan of disengagement.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    What you are witnessing is called a paradigm shift. .
    Yes, we have certainly witnessed a paradigm shift in recent years, but in different ways. Much of the left has abandoned liberalism as a guiding principle and now acts increasingly as the mouthpiece for the most visciously anti-liberal, totalitarian ideology on the planet. Correspondingly , any who are actually concerned with liberal values are sneered at as "conservative" by this new illiberal left.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    Yes, we have certainly witnessed a paradigm shift in recent years, but in different ways. Much of the left has abandoned liberalism as a guiding principle and now acts increasingly as the mouthpiece for the most visciously anti-liberal, totalitarian ideology on the planet. Correspondingly , any who are actually concerned with liberal values are sneered at as "conservative" by this new illiberal left.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Hamas is a terrorist, genocidal organization that, its regular rockets launching that are aimed at civilians and civilian populations aside, has sent in the past dozens of suicide bombers to blow themselves up in buses, restaurants, hotels, and public places.
    Its ideology promotes the destruction of the state of Israel through the inflicting of terror on its civilians, and it has many anti-Semitic elements within it, calling for the killing of Jews.
    In its educational shows on its Gazan TV channels it is indoctrinating the children to hate on Jews, and tells them the benefits of becoming a Shahid (martyr) by killing innocent Jewish people.

    It is very disturbing to see what has become of Turkey.
    This cannot go on and the Turkish people should see what exactly has hijacked their country already.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    ANKARA (Combined Sources)–Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan continued his government’s denial of the ongoing genocide in Darfur on Sunday, questioning International Criminal Court (ICC) charges against Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir on grounds that “no Muslim could perpetrate a genocide,” the Turkish Today’s Zaman newspaper reported Monday.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He's a disgrace to the Turkish nation and the Turkish people.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If Mexico occupied Houston, TX, the inhabitants would probably be rather upset. And Hamas was elected.
    So was the Nazi party. Upon being elected as the majority party of Palestinian Parliament they instigated a coup de'ta and overtook all of Gaza and took over the police force. Hamas a) calls for the extermination of world Jewry in their charter, b) calls for the destruction of Israel in their charter, c) refuses any peace plan in their charter, in practice they intentionally target civilans, they use civilians as human shields, they strap bombs to children, they proliferate a climate of fear and persecution for non-Muslims in the disputed territories, etc etc.

    This isn't to say that Hamas is blameless in this conflict, far from it. My point is that labeling them EVILDOERS and calling it a day isn't the way to go about it.
    I don't think anyone's suggested calling it a day, I suggest wiping out every single last Islamist POS on the planet and that would include not only Hamas but the Islamist led government of Turkey as well.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nice selective quoting technique there, keep it up. We can all have a go. Here's the same quote in its context:

    "I can’t comfortably talk about this [Gaza] with [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu, but I can comfortably talk with Omar Bashir and tell him to his face that ‘what you’re doing is wrong.’ A Muslim cannot commit genocide. If there is such a thing, it’s impossible not to identify it. We can comfortably talk about that as well. We say: ‘You cannot do such a thing. You don’t have the right’,"

    “Turkey at least has the confidence. I also conveyed my comfort on this issue to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. I told him that we are ready if there is any duty that falls to us." [source TRT]

    See? So, in context, your quote demonstrates exactly the opposite of what you are trying to claim. Erdoğan the genocıde denier becomes Erdoğan, the man prepared to confront the war criminal. Turkey is also prepared to step up to UN duties in Darfur.

    Your attempt to demonise Turkey and its PM...big FAIL.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    He's a disgrace to the Turkish nation and the Turkish people.
    I agree with you. I'm pissed off Israel killed some of our citizens and its trigger happiness, dont get me wrong, but for christ sakes. To then turn around and say Hamas isn't a terrorist organization. That is one step WAY to far. Even Islamist Erdogan cannot completely destroy our historical ties. In Antalya, its called little-Israel down that way for a reason. Packed with them. And we recieve 500,000 Israeli's a year especially in Fetiyhe. Nice people. This abuse of trust is sad, its a relationship which has been built on nothing but unconditional friendship between two nations which is being destroyed and argueably it has already been destroyed. Even in the US, the friendship is predominantly down to strong lobby groups among anything else. In Turkey there is no huge Jewish lobby group. In the past, relations where based not on political pressure but a mutual respect. Id argue our friendship was even more unconditional than that of the US. This deterioration will hurt the Middle East more than it does anything else, it will hurt NATO and it will hurt Democratic political unity in the region, especially against Iran. Now, Erdogan is a hypocrit. Anybody could say the PKK is therefore not a terrorist group judging from what Erdogan based his opinion which stops Hamas being a terrorist group.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    What I find amusing about this whole incident is how the world and Gaza residents are having such a big cry about humanitarian aid that is "desperately needed" not being able to reach Gaza due to the blockade...is why the people in Gaza actually democratically elected Hamas to power in the first place. If Israel thinks that Hamas is a terrorist organization and refuses to bulge at all from its stance of blockade, then why complain? You guys chose Hamas, then you gotta suffer the consequences.

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