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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    I care more about Ricky Martin being gay than this. Turkey Israel relations will be heated, Erdogan will loose the elections now surrounding this new hype about a new CHP leadership, the Kemalists take over, 10-15 years from now Jews will be calling us brothers again, or better yet the military flips out and kills the fascists in power. Israeli-Turkey military relations remain the same. Government relations with Israel is bad but i dont think people here realize how seperate the army is from the government in Turkey, and how the Turkey's military still favours Israel strongly and is not with Erdogan on this one. The military has a good relationship with the IDF, wants to keep it that way cause the Jews make cool weapons, and still maintains one of the strictest punishments for anti-Semitism in the region.
    Kaya, how do you know that he'll lose the elections?
    I do believe that a great sum of Turks still desire a secular government, but it seems like his words and speeches are all supported, I have yet to hear a voice of anything that could resemble an opposition.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    Turkey? Bitch all you want about Erdogan, there's still more damage to be done before we go down that path.
    Buddy, you Turks are located in Europe.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    Buddy, you Turks are located in Europe.
    So is Israel, since they are in the Eurovision.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    Kaya, how do you know that he'll lose the elections?
    I do believe that a great sum of Turks still desire a secular government, but it seems like his words and speeches are all supported, I have yet to hear a voice of anything that could resemble an opposition.
    The only opponents are based on radical religion, or military controlled government.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

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    So is Israel, since they are in the Eurovision.
    That just means we're part of the European broadcasting union, since the Arab nations won't let us into the Arabvision.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Kaya, how do you know that he'll lose the elections?
    I do believe that a great sum of Turks still desire a secular government, but it seems like his words and speeches are all supported, I have yet to hear a voice of anything that could resemble an opposition.
    I have faith. There is a huge media hype in Turkey regarding the CHP. Either the deep state will swing the ball in there favour or Erdogan will screw up somehow in the time between now and then - you know how these politicians are (i know im advocating very anti-democracy beliefs here. But desperate times calls for desperate measures. Im a very pro-western person, and at the moment im praying for a coup). My belief is things will get much worse between us, Erdogan will play the Israel card to victimize Turkey and therefore brainwash the population into believing Israel is hostile towards us and gain more votes. But with the increasing tensions between secularists and islamists with an added mix of expanding PKK attacks, with any luck, Turkey will plunge into a period of civil strife and give the military a causus belli to step in and restore some damn order. I want to see that pussy Obama start pressuring our government too. It's not in our interests to tell Jews to piss off. They contribute to our economy, we know they are good people because we mix with them so much, and Israeli's know Turks are good people too. How much longer can we stand this shame?
    Iran is the biggest winner here, not the Arabs, not the Palestinians. The biggest loosers are Erdogan, Netanyahu, and the entire NATO cause for the advancement of human rights.
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Iran is the biggest winner here, not the Arabs, not the Palestinians. The biggest loosers are Erdogan, Netanyahu, and the entire NATO cause for the advancement of human rights.
    Amazing, I've had exactly the same thought yesterday, when Ahmedinejad has told the press that he's very satisfied with the world's reaction to the interception.
    I can't see how Turkey contributes from this, I can't see how Israel contributes from this, I can't see how the Palestinians contribute from this, I can only see one nation on this entire planet contributing from this and it's the same nation that the general assembly meeting that was meant to promote sanctions against it was postponed due to the flotilla interception.

    Report: Flotilla delays Iran sanctions vote - Israel News, Ynetnews
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Amazing, I've had exactly the same thought yesterday, when Ahmedinejad has told the press that he's very satisfied with the world's reaction to the interception.
    I can't see how Turkey contributes from this, I can't see how Israel contributes from this, I can't see how the Palestinians contribute from this, I can only see one nation on this entire planet contributing from this and it's the same nation that the general assembly meeting that was meant to promote sanctions against it was postponed due to the flotilla interception.

    Report: Flotilla delays Iran sanctions vote - Israel News, Ynetnews
    you know why the UN did this? ( see link in sig)
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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Amazing, I've had exactly the same thought yesterday, when Ahmedinejad has told the press that he's very satisfied with the world's reaction to the interception.
    I can't see how Turkey contributes from this, I can't see how Israel contributes from this, I can't see how the Palestinians contribute from this, I can only see one nation on this entire planet contributing from this and it's the same nation that the general assembly meeting that was meant to promote sanctions against it was postponed due to the flotilla interception.

    Report: Flotilla delays Iran sanctions vote - Israel News, Ynetnews
    You see. They are playing the West against each other. Believe me Apocalypse, things will get much worse between us, rifts and scars will develop, Jewish and Turkish politicians will create heated actions without thinking, we will both do things we could have handled differently. But our exceptional past relations will be a future panacea for the wounds subsequently devised by those which suit them. Things will blow over with time. You know very well how much secularists are dying to see Erdogan gone. In fact, Project Sledgehammer and Ergenekon are just fragments of the endless deep state networks devising plans to unseat them. Ataturk rooted us too deeply into secularism to let it go now. He wasn't just a politician; he was the savour of this country and a patriot who gave it back to the Turks. He avoided colonialism, he beat the Europeans, he is something we can never disregard or forget about because Turks love there country too much. A state within a state is a blessing in disguise. The "forces" that be in Turkey will put us back on track eventually.

    I dont believe this country can go from flying Jewish flags in the streets of Istanbul to demonstrating against them in the streets in such a short amount of time (at least anything that will last permanently). Its a phase that requires American guidance. Im sick of Obama standing on the guidlines. He need a man on man talk with the government, he needs to apply pressure and give incentives to avoid a regional disaster. Our ties where the glue of what was left of stability in the region. To eradicate it will, as you said, very much please the same man who vowed to destroy Israel.

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    Re: Hamas not a terrorist group, says Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I have faith. There is a huge media hype in Turkey regarding the CHP. Either the deep state will swing the ball in there favour or Erdogan will screw up somehow in the time between now and then - you know how these politicians are (i know im advocating very anti-democracy beliefs here. But desperate times calls for desperate measures. Im a very pro-western person, and at the moment im praying for a coup). My belief is things will get much worse between us, Erdogan will play the Israel card to victimize Turkey and therefore brainwash the population into believing Israel is hostile towards us and gain more votes. But with the increasing tensions between secularists and islamists with an added mix of expanding PKK attacks, with any luck, Turkey will plunge into a period of civil strife and give the military a causus belli to step in and restore some damn order. I want to see that pussy Obama start pressuring our government too. It's not in our interests to tell Jews to piss off. They contribute to our economy, we know they are good people because we mix with them so much, and Israeli's know Turks are good people too. How much longer can we stand this shame?
    Iran is the biggest winner here, not the Arabs, not the Palestinians. The biggest loosers are Erdogan, Netanyahu, and the entire NATO cause for the advancement of human rights.
    My wife and I have a family friend from Iran. She was lucky enough to be able to emigrate to America in 1979, and in talking to her, it seems she both knew and didn't now the Islamist revolution was coming. The fact she emigrated when she did showed that the worried part won out over the part of her that said "It will continue to be the way it is", but she realized that the Islamism was a populist movement rather than something more artificial, and being a populist movement was much more dangerous.

    I fear for Turkey, myself. I realize what you say about the military is true, but I also fear Turkey could go the way of Iran. The Iran of the 1960s was very western compared to today, no doubt due to the Shah's being propped up by the west, but also in much of the prevailing orientation of its educated populace. It's educated populace is STILL quite modern as the green movement has shown, but they do not have political power as it is in the hands of the Islamists. What will happen in Turkey when the Islamists gain such traction that even the military cannot hold them back? Is the only alternative a strong man leader, and if so, what will that mean for Turkey in the long run?
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