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Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

texmaster said:
Read the articles. The Israeli government revealed that 90 weapons-smuggling tunnels were constructed between the Egyptian border and Rafah. At least some of these tunnels were known to end underneath the homes in Rafah.

I know you would rather wait until more Israelis die before taking action but the Israelis don't agree. I have no sympathy for this terrorist supporter and neither should you.
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The mere fact that a tunnel may or may not have been under the home of Dr. Samir Nasrallah is not cause for an Occupying Power to demolish the home of a person who committed no crime. Calling this person a terrorist supporter only shows your own vile demonization of a person who defended an injust action being carried out without due process.

I have no sympathy for violaters of international law and neither should you.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
No, she was an anti-american big mouth punk who thought standing in the blind spot of a bulldozer taking down the home of a known terrorist was the smart play.


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Eff her, and her flat rotting corpse.


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Isn't she peaceful?

Beatific, even.
 
Folks, this thread is not about the ex-activist Rachel Corrie but about the ship Rachel Corrie.
Both Ireland and Israel have reached an agreement yesterday to have Irish, UN and Israeli officials inspecting the cargo of the ship at the Ashdod's port, and then transfer it through to the Gaza Strip.
That offering was refused due to clear and obvious propaganda purposes.

The ship was stopped and it will now be decided what to do with it.

'Rachel Corrie' ignores Navy request to stop

Pro-Palestinian activist says Rachel Corrie ship followed by three Israeli naval boats just a few dozen miles from blockaded Strip. Army offers no comment on its plans. Earlier, US official says vessel should sail to Ashdod in interest of safety

Ynet reporters and AP
Latest Update: 06.05.10, 09:10 / Israel News

The Palestinian welcoming committee waiting for the Irish-owned Rachel Corrie aid vessel near the Gaza coast said Saturday morning that the ships had been seized by the Israeli Navy in high sees, about 55 kilometers (34 miles) from the Strip.

"A number of Israeli ships encircled the vessel and stopped it from reaching the Gaza Strip," said the committee's spokesman, Amjad al-Shawa, who spoke to the ship's crew shortly before communication was cut off.

Rami Abdo, the committees' coordinator, accused Israel of intentionally disrupting the communication means. He noted that senior Malaysian officials, including parliament members, were on the ship.

The al-Jazeera network reported that the ship had been seized, but that no one had taken over it. An Israel Defense Forces official said the vessel was being monitored but did not confirm that it was stopped.

A pro-Palestinian activist told The Associated Press that the Gaza-bound aid ship was just a few dozen miles from the blockaded Palestinian territory early Saturday, and was being tailed by three Israeli naval boats,

"We have not been in touch with the ship for an hour and a half," Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza movement that sent the 1,200-ton Rachel Corrie told Ynet, adding that at around 7 am the vessel "was making its way from the Egypt area to Gaza."

The activists' latest attempt to crack the blockade will test Israel's resolve as it faces a wave of international outrage over its deadly takeover of another aid ship earlier this week.

Diplomatic fallout and protests across Europe and the Muslim world have increased pressure to end the embargo Israel imposed after the Islamic militant Hamas group seized power in Gaza three years ago. The blockade has plunged the territory's 1.5 million residents deeper into poverty and sharply raised Mideast tensions as the US makes a new push for regional peace.

Shortly after 5 am Israel time, Greta Berlin said the vessel was 35 miles (56 kilometers) from Gaza's shores.


"There were two warships in the back of them ... and a smaller boat was approaching," Berlin said from the movement's headquarters in Cyprus, citing a passenger on board.

Israeli troops still hadn't boarded the Rachel Corrie nearly two hours later, and Free Gaza's lawyer, Audrey Bomse, said the Israeli vessels had not yet made contact with the activists' ship.

Activists on board the Irish boat, including a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, have insisted they would not resist if Israeli soldiers tried to take over their vessel. They rejected Israeli and US appeals to bring the ship to an Israeli port instead.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told his Cabinet on Thursday the Irish boat would not be allowed to reach Gaza. On Friday, Israel's foreign minister said the policy had not changed.

"We have made it clear to the Irish and others, no ship will reach Gaza without a security inspection," Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told Channel 1 TV.
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Well it seems like the ship wasn't stopped yet, but Israel has delivered constant warnings to its crew and they've so far refused to stop.
Israeli forces would most likely board the ship in a few hours.

Israel 'threatens to board' Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie

Israeli troops will board an Irish-owned aid ship attempting to break the blockade of Gaza if it does not change course, Israel's military says.

The MV Rachel Corrie was instructed to dock at the Israeli port of Ashdod but has not complied, Israel says.

"If they won't leave us any choice, we'll have to board the ship," Lt-Col Avital Liebovich told Reuters.

It comes days after Israeli commandos stormed a Gaza-bound aid flotilla. Clashes on board left nine people dead.

That raid brought strong condemnation of Israel, especially from Turkey, from where most of the victims came.

The Rachel Corrie is believed to be in international waters, about 35 miles (56km) off the Israeli coast.

Israel says it has radioed the aid ship but received no response.

"We indicated several times to the organisers aboard the ship that they should head to the port of Ashdod as there is a blockade in force on the Gaza Strip, but they ignored our appeals and are continuing to head towards Gaza," an unnamed military spokeswoman said, AFP news agency reported.
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BBC News - Israel threatens to board Gaza aid ship Rachel Corrie
 
The ship was boarded and full control achieved within 5 minutes, no resistance at all, no violence, no casualties.
It's making its way now to the Ashdod port.

Netanyahu has stated: "Today we have witnessed the difference between a flotilla of peace and a flotilla of hatred".
 
The point they are making by avoiding Ashdod is that they had already had the cargo inspected three times... why should they have to have the cargo inspected again in Ashdod? They are simply trying to get aid to Gaza and feel Israel has not been doing enough to ensure Gaza citizens get the supplies they need.

I hope these ships keep coming (peacefully of course). If nothing else is achieved by them, at least Gaza will still get the supplies these ships are bringing.
 
Jucon said:
The point they are making by avoiding Ashdod is that they had already had the cargo inspected three times... why should they have to have the cargo inspected again in Ashdod?
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So Israel can inspect it for weapons. They can also have it inspected in Egypt if they prefer. Non-invasive means are used such as x-ray scans and explosive-sniffing dogs. Either Israel or Egypt will cover the cost of trucking the cargo containers to Hamas. If all is well with the cargo, one more inspection won't ruin anything and the cargo will still be delivered.

The cargo from the Turkish ships has already reached Gaza and it sits there at the crossing terminal. Hamas has refused to accept delivery.
 
Jucon said:
I hope these ships keep coming (peacefully of course). If nothing else is achieved by them, at least Gaza will still get the supplies these ships are bringing.
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They don't get the supplies.
Israel is still trying to enter the humanitarian aid from the previous ships, Hamas is still denying entrance.
 
texmaster said:
*shakes head*

Did you see the picture?

Explain how ripping up a mock US flag is a peace loving person :roll:
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On close inspection I believe she is actually burning the picture of the mock US flag.


(sorry, just trying to keep the details accurate....)



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Tashah said:
So Israel can inspect it for weapons. They can also have it inspected in Egypt if they prefer. Non-invasive means are used such as x-ray scans and explosive-sniffing dogs. Either Israel or Egypt will cover the cost of trucking the cargo containers to Hamas. If all is well with the cargo, one more inspection won't ruin anything and the cargo will still be delivered.

The cargo from the Turkish ships has already reached Gaza and it sits there at the crossing terminal. Hamas has refused to accept delivery.
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Israel vows to stop aid ship as it approaches Gaza | World news | guardian.co.uk

The former U.N. humanitarian coordinator in Iraq, Denis Halliday, said from the ship that trade unions and government officials had inspected its cargo. "So we are 100 percent confident that there is nothing that is offensive or dangerous," he told Israel's Channel 2 TV.
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If independent government inspectors OKed the cargo, that is good enough for me.

Again I say, I hope these ships keep coming. Perhaps Israel will wise up and realize these activists really are just bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

And this claim that cement can/will be used for militant purposes is bull ****. People need shelter... especially since Israel destroyed many buildings in Gaza.
 
Yeah but you are ignoring the fact that they are trying to ram a blockade..

Its like running into a wall when the guy who owns the wall is offering you a free way round the wall..

They dont care about the people in Gaza they care for the bad image of Israel first...

I think that when they are captured and towed into Ashdod, that their supply should NOT be allowed into Gaza, just so people would understand that they are being idiots...
 
Jucon said:
The point they are making by avoiding Ashdod is that they had already had the cargo inspected three times... why should they have to have the cargo inspected again in Ashdod? They are simply trying to get aid to Gaza and feel Israel has not been doing enough to ensure Gaza citizens get the supplies they need.

I hope these ships keep coming (peacefully of course). If nothing else is achieved by them, at least Gaza will still get the supplies these ships are bringing.
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Lat's say, that the europeans have much to learn about inspection of weapons and illegal materials from Israel (you can check the weapons that were on board the Mavi Marmara that the 'activists' used agains the IDF).
Not for nothing nations sending their special forces against terrorist to Israel for practicing and learning.

And this claim that cement can/will be used for militant purposes is bull ****. People need shelter... especially since Israel destroyed many buildings in Gaza.
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Cement is well used by Hamas to build shelters for them and not for the population, including the illegal tunnels which Hamas is smuggling weapons through them.
 
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CrazyMcCool said:
They dont care about the people in Gaza they care for the bad image of Israel first...
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No one could possibly care for these people in Gaza, right?........
 
Jucon said:
No one could possibly care for these people in Gaza, right?........
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No its possbile, I try and care for them as much as I can, when they are bashed on i will debate to protect them from undeserving hate/bs
But what I mean is that they are running into a blockade, its less a matter of inspecting the cargo as it is giving them a way around the blockade so that the supply would get to Gaza..In my mind if I got that option it would be my first instict to accept it, assuming there is a blockade like there is now :)

I did not mean that statement litterly m8 ;)
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
She is not a" Jew Hater" for wanting pace then I must be a "Jew hater" for wanting peace. You know what I am out of here y'all are defacing someone who is a peace actives that doesn't mean she is a "JEW HATER"


The two people in question only saw people at a funeral that was a public memorial of Rachele Corrie






And Also I thought this part was interesting I went thought the archives and found this And Also this Jewish Chronicle pays £30,000 libel damages to peace activist | Media | guardian.co.uk

Adam Shapiro (An American Jew) is ONE OF THE founders of the ISM A love under fire | World news | The Guardian
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Peaceful....... :roll:
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CrazyMcCool said:
No its possbile, I try and care for them as much as I can, when they are bashed on i will debate to protect them from undeserving hate/bs
But what I mean is that they are running into a blockade, its less a matter of inspecting the cargo as it is giving them a way around the blockade so that the supply would get to Gaza..In my mind if I got that option it would be my first instict to accept it, assuming there is a blockade like there is now :)

I did not mean that statement litterly m8 ;)
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I guess the main thing these activists needs to do is to show the world and the government of Israel that they do have humanitarian aid intentions. I support the blockade in blocking weapons, but humanitarian aid should be allowed through.

And I REALLY hope they don't accept Iran's help in escorting their ships. If the activists continue what they are doing now (with peaceful actions), I am confident they will gain the trust of the Israeli government.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Peaceful....... :roll:
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Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world own weapons and still have peaceful intentions. Images of people posing for a picture while holding weapons is not evidence of violent intentions, nor should it imply these people are not peaceful.
 
Jucon said:
I guess the main thing these activists needs to do is to show the world and the government of Israel that they do have humanitarian aid intentions. I support the blockade in blocking weapons, but humanitarian aid should be allowed through.

And I REALLY hope they don't accept Iran's help in escorting their ships. If the activists continue what they are doing now (with peaceful actions), I am confident they will gain the trust of the Israeli government.



Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world own weapons and still have peaceful intentions. Images of people posing for a picture while holding weapons is not evidence of violent intentions, nor should it imply these people are not peaceful.
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Millions of people in the US are not engaged in a campaign to wipe the jews into the sea. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Millions of people in the US are not engaged in a campaign to wipe the jews into the sea. :shrug:
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So you're just going to assume that Muslims would love to nuke Israel off the face of the earth?

Many Muslims and Palestinians are simply pushing for better treatment from Israel. Hamas and other terrorist groups have chosen a violent way to protest the actions of Israel and the U.S., and it is unfortunate... but many would prefer more diplomatic talks. It is very unfortunate that the violent people tend to speak for the Muslim community in the minds of many around the world.

There are over 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. One would think that if they all wanted to irradicate Israel and the U.S., we'd have a lot more terrorists in the world.
 
Jucon said:
So you're just going to assume that Muslims would love to nuke Israel off the face of the earth?

Many Muslims and Palestinians are simply pushing for better treatment from Israel. Hamas and other terrorist groups have chosen a violent way to protest the actions of Israel and the U.S., and it is unfortunate... but many would prefer more diplomatic talks. It is very unfortunate that the violent people tend to speak for the Muslim community in the minds of many around the world.

There are over 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. One would think that if they all wanted to irradicate Israel and the U.S., we'd have a lot more terrorists in the world.
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oh haize, nice stawmanz u haz der..... :thumbs:


ISM supports terrorist groups like Hammas.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
oh haize, nice stawmanz u haz der..... :thumbs:


ISM supports terrorist groups like Hammas.
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Taken from Wikipedia : Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The events leading to a mid-2006 conflict between Israel and Hamas began on June 9, 2006. During an Israeli artillery operation, an explosion occurred on a busy Gaza beach, killing eight Palestinian civilians.[78][79] It was initially assumed that Israeli shellings were responsible for the killings, but Israeli government officials later denied this.[80][81] Hamas formally withdrew from its 16-month ceasefire on June 10, taking responsibility for the subsequent Qassam rocket attacks launched from Gaza into Israel.[82]

On June 29, following a joint incursion by Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas in which two Israeli soldiers were killed and corporal Gilad Shalit was captured, Israel captured 64 Hamas officials. Among them were 8 Palestinian Authority cabinet ministers and up to 20 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council,[83] as well as heads of regional councils, and the mayor of Qalqilyah and his deputy. At least a third of the Hamas cabinet was captured and held by Israel. On August 6 Israeli forces detained the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, Hamas member Aziz Dweik, at his home in the West Bank.

In June 2007, renewed fighting broke out between Hamas and Fatah. After a brief civil war, Hamas maintained control of Gaza and the Fatah controlled the West Bank. President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority government[84] and outlawed the Hamas militia.[85]

Immediately upon the conclusion of the Battle of Gaza, Israel imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, and Hamas repeatedly launched rocket attacks upon areas of Israel near its border with Gaza because of the blockade.[25] On June 18, 2008, Israel and Hamas announced a ceasefire, which formally began on June 19, 2008. As part of the ceasefire, Israel agreed to allow limited commercial shipping across its border with Gaza, barring any breakdown of the tentative peace deal, and Hamas hinted that it would discuss the release of Gilad Shalit.[86] Hamas committed itself to enforce the ceasefire on the other Palestinian organizations.[87] While Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire, the lull was sporadically violated by other groups, sometimes in defiance of Hamas.[87][88][89][90][91][92] The ceasefire seriously eroded on November 4, 2008, after six Hamas paramilitary died during an Israeli incursion intended, Israel said, to destroy a tunnel dug by militants to abduct Israeli troops.[93] The conflict escalated with Israel’s invasion of Hamas-ruled Gaza in late December, 2008. Both sides declared unilateral ceasefires on January 18, 2009.[94]
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In my mind, "terrorist" is thrown around too much. These issues are much more complicated than simply labeling people as being "terrorists". When labeling people as "terrorists", no one cares anymore why people are fighting in the first place... "terrorists" are supposedly just out to kill people for illegitimate reasons. Yes it's true, wars and acts of violence can break out because of false facts and angry feelings... but one should still understand people's reasoning for their actions before labeling them as extremists. And yes, there are true extremists out there, but I think the Gaza / Israel relationship is more complicated.

And lets not forget the Israel / Palestinian conflict going back to World War II... There is a lot of tension in the middle east because of that.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Peaceful....... :roll:
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No. At ISM’s training in Palestine, as a condition for joining ISM in Palestine, all activists are required to commit to supporting only non-violent resistance. At the training, all activists are also instructed never to touch any weapon, or even anything that resembles a weapon.

In September 2006, photos were posted on the internet showing five foreigners posing with members of the Palestinian police in Jericho while holding their weapons, along with the claim that four of the foreigners were volunteers with the ISM. The article accompanying the photos also claimed that the fifth, unnamed foreigner (whose name we have since learned is Paul Cinato) with the obscured face in the photos went undercover in order to try and sabotage those, such as the ISM, who support Palestinian non-violent resistance.

At the time the photographs were taken, these individuals had not yet become ISM volunteers. They went to Jericho of their own volition without coordinating or discussing their plans with the International Solidarity Movement. They had not attended ISM’s mandatory intensive non-violence training and were new to the country. The fifth foreigner encouraged them to join him in the photographs and have their pictures taken holding guns. These individuals regrettably followed his lead.

Upon learning of this incident, ISM activists informed these individuals that touching weapons violates ISM?s policies and that they would not be permitted to volunteer unless they agreed never to handle weapons. All except Cinato apologized and deleted the photographs of future ISM volunteers. Cinato did not attend ISM training and subsequently disappeared. Following their training, the others worked diligently and without incident with the ISM and Palestinian communities in support of non-violent direct action.
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So fail again Revarad, and they were in violation of the groups founders idealis they weren't allowed to join untill they apoligized, and agreed too never touch wepoans again.
 
Jucon said:
Taken from Wikipedia : Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In my mind, "terrorist" is thrown around too much. These issues are much more complicated than simply labeling people as being "terrorists". When labeling people as "terrorists", no one cares anymore why people are fighting in the first place... "terrorists" are supposedly just out to kill people for illegitimate reasons. Yes it's true, wars and acts of violence can break out because of false facts and angry feelings... but one should still understand people's reasoning for their actions before labeling them as extremists. And yes, there are true extremists out there, but I think the Gaza / Israel relationship is more complicated.

And lets not forget the Israel / Palestinian conflict going back to World War II... There is a lot of tension in the middle east because of that.
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I should point out I do not support anyone killing innocent people. I am not trying to defend the actions of extremists... I am merely suggesting we understand the underlying issues so we can approach people in a way that is productive and will lead to an end to the violence.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
So fail again Revarad, and they were in violation of the groups founders idealis they weren't allowed to join untill they apoligized, and agreed too never touch wepoans again.
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seems odd this sort of "misunderstanding" seems to follow ISM around. :ssst:
 
Strange thing.. most of the arabs call the annihilation of Israel.. Iran, Palestine, Turkey supports it so as the most ME arab countries.
The fact is that Hamas, the rulling "political party" in Palestine wouldnt even consider of recognition of Israel.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
seems odd this sort of "misunderstanding" seems to follow ISM around. :ssst:
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It seem odd that people take thing way too out of contexts which the Israeli right wing government does. These type of misunderstanding only happened in your head, or when soldiers lie about stuff that happens in the ISM headquarters. Which something like that did happen that the ARMY back tracked about what it found in the headquarters of the ISM which is why I can't trust them too tell us the truth.
 
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