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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrugem View Post
    Strange thing.. most of the arabs call the annihilation of Israel.. Iran, Palestine, Turkey supports it so as the most ME arab countries.
    The fact is that Hamas, the rulling "political party" in Palestine wouldnt even consider of recognition of Israel.
    Fail Hamas has stated that, if they return to the 1967 borders then their will be peace.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by juncon
    In my mind, "terrorist" is thrown around too much. These issues are much more complicated than simply labeling people as being "terrorists". When labeling people as "terrorists", no one cares anymore why people are fighting in the first place... "terrorists" are supposedly just out to kill people for illegitimate reasons. Yes it's true, wars and acts of violence can break out because of false facts and angry feelings... but one should still understand people's reasoning for their actions before labeling them as extremists. And yes, there are true extremists out there, but I think the Gaza / Israel relationship is more complicated.
    It's not really that complicated. Terrorists are people who blow other people up. There's no political reason behind it. That's why it's called "terrorism" and not "politicism." What's incomprehensible is the ability of the left to characterize terrorists as maligned, misunderstood and misrepresented.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    I think you misread that article. But let's say Israel withdraws to 1967 borders. What concessions does Hamas make?

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    ‘long-term truce’ possible
    possible.. that means no by Hamas.

    as to possibility Hamas would renounce terror
    Well.. we know Hamas never stand behind their anounces.

    Zahar told CNN if Israel "is ready to give us the national demand to withdraw from the occupied area (in) '67; to release our detainees; to stop their aggression; to make geographic link between Gaza Strip and West Bank
    And so on, and so on... a geographic link between Gaza Strip and West Bank will split israel in to two parts.. very realistic yeah..

    But when asked about Hamas' call for Israel's destruction, Zahar would not say whether that remains the goal. "We are not speaking about the future, we are speaking now," he said.
    Well.. so what's the point if the Hamas is still sworn to fight Israel?

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    It's not really that complicated. Terrorists are people who blow other people up. There's no political reason behind it. That's why it's called "terrorism" and not "politicism." What's incomprehensible is the ability of the left to characterize terrorists as maligned, misunderstood and misrepresented.
    No political reason?

    How about:
    - Israel seizing power of the area
    - The oppression of Palestine for 50+ years by Israel and how the U.S. has been backing them
    - U.S. bases being located on the Middle East
    - The U.S. invading Iraq
    - The U.S. military killing countless civilians, even if it was on accident

    Not to mention the CIA created the Taliban, leading to them taking control of Afghanistan

    Here's some more "light" reading for you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_...change_actions

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    I think you misread that article. But let's say Israel withdraws to 1967 borders. What concessions does Hamas make?
    Uh... peace. What, is that not good enough?
    Last edited by Jucon; 06-07-10 at 04:42 PM.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    As usual Haruno you are giving false information.
    Hamas in that article says that it will agree to a cease fire(not peace) for what appears to be an unconditional fulfillment of all of the Palestinians' demands from Israel.
    Israel has had many of those "cease fires" with Hamas since then.
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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by ferrugem View Post
    possible.. that means no by Hamas.



    Well.. we know Hamas never stand behind their anounces.



    And so on, and so on... a geographic link between Gaza Strip and West Bank will split israel in to two parts.. very realistic yeah..



    Well.. so what's the point if the Hamas is still sworn to fight Israel?
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As usual Haruno you are giving false information.
    Hamas in that article says that it will agree to a cease fire(not peace) for what appears to be an unconditional fulfillment of all of the Palestinians' demands from Israel.
    Israel has had many of those "cease fires" with Hamas since then.
    If you read the article closely, it says they would wait to find out what Israel's true intentions are.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    How does possible mean no? Urrrrrrr AM i MISSING something here?

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    How does possible mean no? Urrrrrrr AM i MISSING something here?
    No you aren't, they are.

    Zahar told CNN if Israel "is ready to give us the national demand to withdraw from the occupied area (in) '67; to release our detainees; to stop their aggression; to make geographic link between Gaza Strip and West Bank, at that time, with assurance from other sides, we are going to accept to establish our independent state at that time, and give us one or two, 10, 15 years time in order to see what is the real intention of Israel after that."

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    No, they are.
    Thank you, I thought that I was the one that was missing something in the comment.

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