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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    No its possbile, I try and care for them as much as I can, when they are bashed on i will debate to protect them from undeserving hate/bs
    But what I mean is that they are running into a blockade, its less a matter of inspecting the cargo as it is giving them a way around the blockade so that the supply would get to Gaza..In my mind if I got that option it would be my first instict to accept it, assuming there is a blockade like there is now

    I did not mean that statement litterly m8
    I guess the main thing these activists needs to do is to show the world and the government of Israel that they do have humanitarian aid intentions. I support the blockade in blocking weapons, but humanitarian aid should be allowed through.

    And I REALLY hope they don't accept Iran's help in escorting their ships. If the activists continue what they are doing now (with peaceful actions), I am confident they will gain the trust of the Israeli government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Peaceful.......
    Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world own weapons and still have peaceful intentions. Images of people posing for a picture while holding weapons is not evidence of violent intentions, nor should it imply these people are not peaceful.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I guess the main thing these activists needs to do is to show the world and the government of Israel that they do have humanitarian aid intentions. I support the blockade in blocking weapons, but humanitarian aid should be allowed through.

    And I REALLY hope they don't accept Iran's help in escorting their ships. If the activists continue what they are doing now (with peaceful actions), I am confident they will gain the trust of the Israeli government.



    Millions of people in the U.S. and around the world own weapons and still have peaceful intentions. Images of people posing for a picture while holding weapons is not evidence of violent intentions, nor should it imply these people are not peaceful.



    Millions of people in the US are not engaged in a campaign to wipe the jews into the sea.
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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Millions of people in the US are not engaged in a campaign to wipe the jews into the sea.
    So you're just going to assume that Muslims would love to nuke Israel off the face of the earth?

    Many Muslims and Palestinians are simply pushing for better treatment from Israel. Hamas and other terrorist groups have chosen a violent way to protest the actions of Israel and the U.S., and it is unfortunate... but many would prefer more diplomatic talks. It is very unfortunate that the violent people tend to speak for the Muslim community in the minds of many around the world.

    There are over 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. One would think that if they all wanted to irradicate Israel and the U.S., we'd have a lot more terrorists in the world.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    So you're just going to assume that Muslims would love to nuke Israel off the face of the earth?

    Many Muslims and Palestinians are simply pushing for better treatment from Israel. Hamas and other terrorist groups have chosen a violent way to protest the actions of Israel and the U.S., and it is unfortunate... but many would prefer more diplomatic talks. It is very unfortunate that the violent people tend to speak for the Muslim community in the minds of many around the world.

    There are over 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. One would think that if they all wanted to irradicate Israel and the U.S., we'd have a lot more terrorists in the world.



    oh haize, nice stawmanz u haz der.....


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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

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    oh haize, nice stawmanz u haz der.....


    ISM supports terrorist groups like Hammas.
    Taken from Wikipedia : Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The events leading to a mid-2006 conflict between Israel and Hamas began on June 9, 2006. During an Israeli artillery operation, an explosion occurred on a busy Gaza beach, killing eight Palestinian civilians.[78][79] It was initially assumed that Israeli shellings were responsible for the killings, but Israeli government officials later denied this.[80][81] Hamas formally withdrew from its 16-month ceasefire on June 10, taking responsibility for the subsequent Qassam rocket attacks launched from Gaza into Israel.[82]

    On June 29, following a joint incursion by Fatah, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas in which two Israeli soldiers were killed and corporal Gilad Shalit was captured, Israel captured 64 Hamas officials. Among them were 8 Palestinian Authority cabinet ministers and up to 20 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council,[83] as well as heads of regional councils, and the mayor of Qalqilyah and his deputy. At least a third of the Hamas cabinet was captured and held by Israel. On August 6 Israeli forces detained the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, Hamas member Aziz Dweik, at his home in the West Bank.

    In June 2007, renewed fighting broke out between Hamas and Fatah. After a brief civil war, Hamas maintained control of Gaza and the Fatah controlled the West Bank. President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority government[84] and outlawed the Hamas militia.[85]

    Immediately upon the conclusion of the Battle of Gaza, Israel imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, and Hamas repeatedly launched rocket attacks upon areas of Israel near its border with Gaza because of the blockade.[25] On June 18, 2008, Israel and Hamas announced a ceasefire, which formally began on June 19, 2008. As part of the ceasefire, Israel agreed to allow limited commercial shipping across its border with Gaza, barring any breakdown of the tentative peace deal, and Hamas hinted that it would discuss the release of Gilad Shalit.[86] Hamas committed itself to enforce the ceasefire on the other Palestinian organizations.[87] While Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire, the lull was sporadically violated by other groups, sometimes in defiance of Hamas.[87][88][89][90][91][92] The ceasefire seriously eroded on November 4, 2008, after six Hamas paramilitary died during an Israeli incursion intended, Israel said, to destroy a tunnel dug by militants to abduct Israeli troops.[93] The conflict escalated with Israel’s invasion of Hamas-ruled Gaza in late December, 2008. Both sides declared unilateral ceasefires on January 18, 2009.[94]
    In my mind, "terrorist" is thrown around too much. These issues are much more complicated than simply labeling people as being "terrorists". When labeling people as "terrorists", no one cares anymore why people are fighting in the first place... "terrorists" are supposedly just out to kill people for illegitimate reasons. Yes it's true, wars and acts of violence can break out because of false facts and angry feelings... but one should still understand people's reasoning for their actions before labeling them as extremists. And yes, there are true extremists out there, but I think the Gaza / Israel relationship is more complicated.

    And lets not forget the Israel / Palestinian conflict going back to World War II... There is a lot of tension in the middle east because of that.
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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Peaceful.......
    No. At ISMís training in Palestine, as a condition for joining ISM in Palestine, all activists are required to commit to supporting only non-violent resistance. At the training, all activists are also instructed never to touch any weapon, or even anything that resembles a weapon.

    In September 2006, photos were posted on the internet showing five foreigners posing with members of the Palestinian police in Jericho while holding their weapons, along with the claim that four of the foreigners were volunteers with the ISM. The article accompanying the photos also claimed that the fifth, unnamed foreigner (whose name we have since learned is Paul Cinato) with the obscured face in the photos went undercover in order to try and sabotage those, such as the ISM, who support Palestinian non-violent resistance.

    At the time the photographs were taken, these individuals had not yet become ISM volunteers. They went to Jericho of their own volition without coordinating or discussing their plans with the International Solidarity Movement. They had not attended ISMís mandatory intensive non-violence training and were new to the country. The fifth foreigner encouraged them to join him in the photographs and have their pictures taken holding guns. These individuals regrettably followed his lead.

    Upon learning of this incident, ISM activists informed these individuals that touching weapons violates ISM?s policies and that they would not be permitted to volunteer unless they agreed never to handle weapons. All except Cinato apologized and deleted the photographs of future ISM volunteers. Cinato did not attend ISM training and subsequently disappeared. Following their training, the others worked diligently and without incident with the ISM and Palestinian communities in support of non-violent direct action.

    So fail again Revarad, and they were in violation of the groups founders idealis they weren't allowed to join untill they apoligized, and agreed too never touch wepoans again.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

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    Taken from Wikipedia : Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    In my mind, "terrorist" is thrown around too much. These issues are much more complicated than simply labeling people as being "terrorists". When labeling people as "terrorists", no one cares anymore why people are fighting in the first place... "terrorists" are supposedly just out to kill people for illegitimate reasons. Yes it's true, wars and acts of violence can break out because of false facts and angry feelings... but one should still understand people's reasoning for their actions before labeling them as extremists. And yes, there are true extremists out there, but I think the Gaza / Israel relationship is more complicated.

    And lets not forget the Israel / Palestinian conflict going back to World War II... There is a lot of tension in the middle east because of that.
    I should point out I do not support anyone killing innocent people. I am not trying to defend the actions of extremists... I am merely suggesting we understand the underlying issues so we can approach people in a way that is productive and will lead to an end to the violence.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

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    So fail again Revarad, and they were in violation of the groups founders idealis they weren't allowed to join untill they apoligized, and agreed too never touch wepoans again.



    seems odd this sort of "misunderstanding" seems to follow ISM around.
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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Strange thing.. most of the arabs call the annihilation of Israel.. Iran, Palestine, Turkey supports it so as the most ME arab countries.
    The fact is that Hamas, the rulling "political party" in Palestine wouldnt even consider of recognition of Israel.

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    Re: Ireland: Rachel Corrie won't dock at Ashdod

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    seems odd this sort of "misunderstanding" seems to follow ISM around.
    It seem odd that people take thing way too out of contexts which the Israeli right wing government does. These type of misunderstanding only happened in your head, or when soldiers lie about stuff that happens in the ISM headquarters. Which something like that did happen that the ARMY back tracked about what it found in the headquarters of the ISM which is why I can't trust them too tell us the truth.

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