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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    wow. the FAIL is strong with you today. Turn that around and apply it to your anecdotal.
    I have no anecdotal. I have factual. Al Libi could not have known, but gave us misinformation and we used it. A very sepcific case. Give me anything like it that holds up.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I did show you. You choose to believe what you want to believe.
    No, you didn't. Nothing specific, just some claiming they got something. Not specifically what they got that we can verify.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    yeah boo. not today, not just because you bore the hell out of me as usual, but cause I'm headed to philly for the stanley cup.


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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You're avoiding the issue. Do you want to torture them or get actionable intel from them?

    With some of these guys, both can be a real desire. But, you can't use the same actions to get both results.

    Ofcourse I don't want our troops to torture anyone. With that said, I don't believe that 'waterboarding' as practiced today is torture.

    We need actionable intel to win this struggle with radical Islam, and you can bet that won't be forthcoming with a kiss on the cheek, regardless of what one lone, and exploited ex CIA interrogator says.

    There can be situations where a less severe interrogation would work, and work well, but not all situations are the same, and with some terrorists, they need, well, lets just say more incentive to talk.


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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    yeah boo. not today, not just because you bore the hell out of me as usual, but cause I'm headed to philly for the stanley cup.


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    Enjoy the trip, but it is a fact that you did not provide the specific example I did.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ofcourse I don't want our troops to torture anyone. With that said, I don't believe that 'waterboarding' as practiced today is torture.

    We need actionable intel to win this struggle with radical Islam, and you can bet that won't be forthcoming with a kiss on the cheek, regardless of what one lone, and exploited ex CIA interrogator says.

    There can be situations where a less severe interrogation would work, and work well, but not all situations are the same, and with some terrorists, they need, well, lets just say more incentive to talk.


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    Yet, as I noted earlier, we got better intel in Iraq when we stopped the brutal stuff.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In the case of al Libi, he didn't have the intel. So, wasting our time. And we have tortured others who knew nothing and who were merely innocent civilians. One such evnen died.
    No offence but US intelligence services decided a terrorist boarded a plane......once it was 30,000 feet in the air. Remember, the Nigerian guy? There is clearly room for improvement. Just like prison/capital punishment/ war has its risks in regards to innocent people, reliable intelligence gathering can avoid this altogether or at least minimize the affects. A guy dying from torture shows clear excessive force by an agent so faults on him. And the US has enough intelligence agencies, soldiers and spy's to waste a bit of time....it certainly pays off, especially when we save thousands of lives. Could torture have prevented 9/11? Probably. That event was beyond dispicable.....many good American mothers and fathers, sons and daughters died that day.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yet, as I noted earlier, we got better intel in Iraq when we stopped the brutal stuff.

    Says the left and their useful idiots that have come out and said so. Others believe differently.


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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ofcourse I don't want our troops to torture anyone. With that said, I don't believe that 'waterboarding' as practiced today is torture.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We need actionable intel to win this struggle with radical Islam, and you can bet that won't be forthcoming with a kiss on the cheek, regardless of what one lone, and exploited ex CIA interrogator says.
    But, what if the facts are that a kiss on the cheek will get you more than kicking the **** out of them or torturing them? Would you change your mind then?

    There can be situations where a less severe interrogation would work, and work well, but not all situations are the same, and with some terrorists, they need, well, lets just say more incentive to talk.


    This is the testosterone fueled attitude that actually does not work.

    Here’s sworn testimony from Ali Soufan, the ex FBI interrogator who elicited “actionable” intel from Abu Zubaydah before Cheeney’s CIA goons came in and insisted on torturing him. He is a walking testimony for why torture Is not only ineffective, even in a ticking time bomb fantasy, but…... stupid as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88mZArx4IE&feature=related

    Paraphrasing from the video, Mr. Soufan testifies:
    It is my personal opinion that it is a mistake to us enhanced interrogation techniques, a position shared by professional operatives, including CIA officers who were present at the initial phases of the Abu Zubaydah interrogations.
    These techniques, from an operational perspective, are slow, ineffective, unreliable and harmful to our efforts to defeat Al Qaeda."


    So, if we want intel to save lives, why would we use techniques that have been proven to not work? The only reason people like these techniques... they inflict pain.

    There are 5 other vids in this series. Anyone who wants to know the truth of torture effectiveness should watch these. Otherwise, you're just speaking from a position of ignorance.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Could torture have prevented 9/11? Probably. That event was beyond dispicable.....many good American mothers and fathers, sons and daughters died that day.
    Actually, acting on intelligence and intelligence sharing could very well have prevented 9/11. Ali Soufan resigned from the FBI after he found the CIA did not share such info with the FBI.
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