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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What evidence have you presented, I'd hate for you to be the "hammer" in all this afterall.
    Al Libi. You can look that up anytime you want, but everyone one any political forum should know about him. He should be common knowledge. And that is at least one more specific example than you have provided.

    So, why do you not address the point?
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Al Libi. YOu can look that up anytime you want, but everyone onn any political forum should know about him. He should be common knowledge.


    So in other words, you have no link are are hoping that I simply take your word for it.


    If that is the case, than you equally have to take my word regarding the useful info we obtained from KSM.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So in other words, you have no link are are hoping that I simply take your word for it.


    If that is the case, than you equally have to take my word regarding the useful info we obtained from KSM.
    No there are many links. Do you really need me to do it yet again?

    According to CIA sources, Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi, after two weeks of enhanced interrogation, made statements that were designed to tell the interrogators what they wanted to hear. Sources say Al Libbi had been subjected to each of the progressively harsher techniques in turn and finally broke after being water boarded and then left to stand naked in his cold cell overnight where he was doused with cold water at regular intervals.


    His statements became part of the basis for the Bush administration claims that Iraq trained al Qaeda members to use biochemical weapons. Sources tell ABC that it was later established that al Libbi had no knowledge of such training or weapons and fabricated the statements because he was terrified of further harsh treatment.

    CIA's Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described - ABC News

    If you had even passing knowledge about this issue, you would know about al Libi.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No there are many links. Do you really need me to do it yet again?

    According to CIA sources, Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi, after two weeks of enhanced interrogation, made statements that were designed to tell the interrogators what they wanted to hear. Sources say Al Libbi had been subjected to each of the progressively harsher techniques in turn and finally broke after being water boarded and then left to stand naked in his cold cell overnight where he was doused with cold water at regular intervals.


    His statements became part of the basis for the Bush administration claims that Iraq trained al Qaeda members to use biochemical weapons. Sources tell ABC that it was later established that al Libbi had no knowledge of such training or weapons and fabricated the statements because he was terrified of further harsh treatment.

    CIA's Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described - ABC News

    If you had even passing knowledge about this issue, you would know about al Libi.


    Wow, Im impressed you actually posted a link. Kudos to you.


    You still haven't addressed my question. Why would we employ waterboarding if it didn't work? Tell me, what the purpose would be then?


    Since you bring up the anecdotal, so shall I.


    Water-boarding worked wonders, ex-agent says: The Swamp

    RealClearPolitics - Waterboarding Worked on KSM



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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow, Im impressed you actually posted a link. Kudos to you.


    You still haven't addressed my question. Why would we employ waterboarding if it didn't work? Tell me, what the purpose would be then?


    Since you bring up the anecdotal, so shall I.


    Water-boarding worked wonders, ex-agent says: The Swamp

    RealClearPolitics - Waterboarding Worked on KSM



    Score, 2 the Good Reverend, 1 for Boo......


    Your serve.
    That's not much of a question. Do you believe we never do anything consistently that doesn't work? The fact is, we didn't do waterboarding after VN until the Bush administration sought to encourage such law breaking. Again, if you look (in books), and I don't consider myself your personal library, you will find writings from all kinds of sources showing exactly what torture, including waterboarding can and can't do effectively. You will get confessions. Almost no one will ever refuse to confess, regardless of guilt (revisit KSM's long list of confessions). They will tell you anything you want to hear, and you will likely get misinformation. See al Libi.

    So, if you're the Bush administration, you get the confessions and intel you want to present. See al Libi. So, for them, it worked. Just not the way they claim it worked. So there was a reason for using it. Also, you might dig a little and find who spilled the beans on the WH concerning torture. There was dissent from within.

    So, for me, and try to show me any evidence we actually got anything that was really useful, that we couldn't have gotten another way, and that makes the misinformation an acceptable risk.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Of course waterboarding works, lol. Obviously we need to clarify what is said in case it was said out of sheer fear. If the source is wrong we water board him again! We really need to draw the line where human rights apply in regards to terrorists.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    oh, forgot to mention, someone saying it worked wonders doesn't equal them proving it worked wonders. So, your score is actually zero.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not much of a question. Do you believe we never do anything consistently that doesn't work? The fact is, we didn't do waterboarding after VN until the Bush administration sought to encourage such law breaking. Again, if you look (in books), and I don't consider myself your personal library, you will find writings from all kinds of sources showing exactly what torture, including waterboarding can and can't do effectively. You will get confessions. Almost no one will ever refuse to confess, regardless of guilt (revisit KSM's long list of confessions). They will tell you anything you want to hear, and you will likely get misinformation. See al Libi.

    So, if you're the Bush administration, you get the confessions and intel you want to present. See al Libi. So, for them, it worked. Just not the way they claim it worked. So there was a reason for using it. Also, you might dig a little and find who spilled the beans on the WH concerning torture. There was dissent from within.

    So, for me, and try to show me any evidence we actually got anything that was really useful, that we couldn't have gotten another way, and that makes the misinformation an acceptable risk.


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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    oh, forgot to mention, someone saying it worked wonders doesn't equal them proving it worked wonders. So, your score is actually zero.



    wow. the FAIL is strong with you today. Turn that around and apply it to your anecdotal.
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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Of course waterboarding works, lol. Obviously we need to clarify what is said in case it was said out of sheer fear. If the source is wrong we water board him again! We really need to draw the line where human rights apply in regards to terrorists.
    In the case of al Libi, he didn't have the intel. So, wasting our time. And we have tortured others who knew nothing and who were merely innocent civilians. One such evnen died.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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