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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it was the exact same water boarding.
    No it wasn't, it was coupled with beatings.
    Beating him is another offense.
    The beating was coupled with the waterboarding.

    Just so you know, we beat some folks as well. I specifically recall a fellow in Afghanistan who wasn't guilty of anything who died while being beaten.
    Prove that it was a soldier carrying out orders.

    But that's beside the point. The waterboarding technique was the same.
    No it wasn't it was coupled beating.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No it wasn't, it was coupled with beatings.

    The beating was coupled with the waterboarding.



    Prove that it was a soldier carrying out orders.



    No it wasn't it was coupled beating.
    Doesn't matter what you couple with it, the waterboarding procedure was the same. And that procedure was called torture. It was listed with those other elements and not as a catch all.

    As for the man in Afghanistan, you should know the story:

    Although incidents of prisoner abuse at Bagram in 2002, including some details of the two men's deaths, have been previously reported, American officials have characterized them as isolated problems that were thoroughly investigated. And many of the officers and soldiers interviewed in the Dilawar investigation said the large majority of detainees at Bagram were compliant and reasonably well treated.

    "What we have learned through the course of all these investigations is that there were people who clearly violated anyone's standard for humane treatment," said the Pentagon's chief spokesman, Larry Di Rita. "We're finding some cases that were not close calls."

    Yet the Bagram file includes ample testimony that harsh treatment by some interrogators was routine and that guards could strike shackled detainees with virtual impunity. Prisoners considered important or troublesome were also handcuffed and chained to the ceilings and doors of their cells, sometimes for long periods, an action Army prosecutors recently classified as criminal assault.

    Some of the mistreatment was quite obvious, the file suggests. Senior officers frequently toured the detention center, and several of them acknowledged seeing prisoners chained up for punishment or to deprive them of sleep. Shortly before the two deaths, observers from the International Committee of the Red Cross specifically complained to the military authorities at Bagram about the shackling of prisoners in "fixed positions," documents show.

    Even though military investigators learned soon after Mr. Dilawar's death that he had been abused by at least two interrogators, the Army's criminal inquiry moved slowly. Meanwhile, many of the Bagram interrogators, led by the same operations officer, Capt. Carolyn A. Wood, were redeployed to Iraq and in July 2003 took charge of interrogations at the Abu Ghraib prison. According to a high-level Army inquiry last year, Captain Wood applied techniques there that were "remarkably similar" to those used at Bagram.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/in...gewanted=print

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter what you couple with it, the waterboarding procedure was the same.
    No it wasn't we don't beat people while they are being waterboarded.

    And that procedure was called torture.
    Case summary or case name?

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Abu Ghraib was a disaster and a scar on our nation. Don't think there are a lot of arguments on that one. But have never heard of an viable reports that suggest Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld knew anything about what was going on there. Let alone that they condoned those atrocities.

    You have something to the contrary that you can share.....???
    Well, it was all over the news. A simple google search would produce hundreds of links for you. All you have to do is look.

    Read the links I, and others, have provided in this thread. There are several links within those articles.. All show proof that the Bush admin authorized torture not only at Gitmo but, at Abu Ghraib as well. Innocent people were tried, convicted and sent to jail. And none of those cowards (Bush, Cheeney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Rice, etc.) came forward to defend those people for carrying out their orders.

    Here are a few to get you started.


    "Wolfowitz said GTMO should use more aggressive interrogation techniques" - Torture - Salon.com

    The Abu Ghraib files - Torture - Salon.com /

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Well, it was all over the news. A simple google search would produce hundreds of links for you. All you have to do is look.

    Read the links I, and others, have provided in this thread. There are several links within those articles.. All show proof that the Bush admin authorized torture not only at Gitmo but, at Abu Ghraib as well. Innocent people were tried, convicted and sent to jail. And none of those cowards (Bush, Cheeney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Rice, etc.) came forward to defend those people for carrying out their orders.

    Here are a few to get you started.


    "Wolfowitz said GTMO should use more aggressive interrogation techniques" - Torture - Salon.com

    The Abu Ghraib files - Torture - Salon.com /

    Enjoy!
    And how are they defining torture? They're defining waterboarding as torture, the administration did not authorize the actual torture, the most severe thing that was authorized was waterboarding.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    How about if this guy held vital intel and wasn't talking? Intel that would save thousands of lives?

    Does water boarding really become so immoral? You'd be amazed how sometimes a wrong can make a right.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No it wasn't we don't beat people while they are being waterboarded.



    Case summary or case name?
    Waterboarding was called torture when we prosecuted the Japanese, and when we prosecuted the American soldiers. It wasn't because they hit them while doing it. You seriously are simply trying to rationalize something.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I agree with Aunt Spiker. If my family was in danger I would not waterboard anyone. I would find another way to save them. This is because I love my country and I am not willing to torture some one in order get information from them and ruin what I believe are important values to this country.
    I don't think anyone is qualified to answer this question unless they personally experienced such a scenario. Those who won't use all methods available to save their family, I think under estimate their own instincts.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    so pathetic how ideologues try to apply best case scenarios to WAR
    if war was fought by ideologues
    the war would be over in days if not hours
    ideals have no place in reality when War is concerned
    it is but wishful thinking of monday morning arm chair quarterbacking

    As USELESS as fantasy footbal

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed,

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    so pathetic how ideologues try to apply best case scenarios to WAR
    if war was fought by ideologues
    the war would be over in days if not hours
    ideals have no place in reality when War is concerned
    it is but wishful thinking of monday morning arm chair quarterbacking

    As USELESS as fantasy footbal
    Don't go blasting fantasy football. Now you're crossin' a line....



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