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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    You need to learn to read.
    I did read what you said and so far I see nothing to back up your claims that the US has 'awful drivers education'. I, and many other folks, are waiting for you to produce this proof in the form of flow charts and bulleted points. You made the statement so you have to back it up. I've already backed up my position with the Constitution of the United States and all you have given is empty rhetoric.

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I did read what you said and so far I see nothing to back up your claims that the US has 'awful drivers education'. I, and many other folks, are waiting for you to produce this proof in the form of flow charts and bulleted points. You made the statement so you have to back it up. I've already backed up my position with the Constitution of the United States and all you have given is empty rhetoric.
    Sorry I must have missed that post and it seems vital to your arguement so what post # is it? And also, why would I create flow charts and bulleted points? Paragraphs aren't acceptable? You need to learn something, just because you tell me to do something doesn't mean I will do it. I'm not waiting to serve you hand and foot and to contruct arguements the way you want me to. Go back and re-read all my posts. If you still haven't figured out my point I will say it again.

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Sorry I must have missed that post and it seems vital to your arguement so what post # is it? And also, why would I create flow charts and bulleted points? Paragraphs aren't acceptable? You need to learn something, just because you tell me to do something doesn't mean I will do it. I'm not waiting to serve you hand and foot and to contruct arguements the way you want me to. Go back and re-read all my posts. If you still haven't figured out my point I will say it again.
    In short, you'll toss around empty rhetoric and opinion as facts and we're supposed to believe you. I don't drink the kool aid, so I'm waiting for proof to back up your wild claims.

    Check out post #3, post #8, and post #19. Where's your proof that the 'US has awful drivers education'?

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    In short, you'll toss around empty rhetoric and opinion as facts and we're supposed to believe you. I don't drink the kool aid, so I'm waiting for proof to back up your wild claims.

    Check out post #3, post #8, and post #19. Where's your proof that the 'US has awful drivers education'?
    Thanks for providing the post information. Now I will rebuttle each post's main point:

    post #3 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards): "Congress lacks the authority to mandate such a law since this isn't a delegated power to the federal government under the Constitution of the United States"- No, Congress has the power to make laws providing for the general welfare for the United States (Article I Section VIII), which is an exception to the 10th Amendment since it is a delegated power.

    post #8 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards): This post is completely irrelevant to anything I have ever posted. My previous point though voids your statement in this post though since it is a delegated power.

    post #19 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards): Again, my delegated power arguement is my rebuttle.

    And my point about having you going back and re-reading all my posts is so you would realize I'm not going to do something you can do yourself.

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Great Idea for the issue at hand, I LOVE IT!
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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Who are you talking to?

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Thanks for providing the post information. Now I will rebuttle each post's main point:
    Great I can't wait to destroy your argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan;1058786388[B
    post #3 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards)[/B]: "Congress lacks the authority to mandate such a law since this isn't a delegated power to the federal government under the Constitution of the United States"- No, Congress has the power to make laws providing for the general welfare for the United States (Article I Section VIII), which is an exception to the 10th Amendment since it is a delegated power..
    I give you James Madison on the subject of general welfare.

    “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

    "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

    "That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them."-James Madison, Virginia Resolution of 1798.

    It seems that the author of the Constitution disagrees with your interpretation of the Constitution since the general welfare clause of Article I Section VIII Clause I is a declaratory clause that states the purpose of the entire section and is limited by the powers contained in Sections VIII and IX. Anything not enumerated in the powers delegated falls under the province of the states as per the wording of the Tenth Amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan;1058786388[B
    post #8 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards)[/B]: This post is completely irrelevant to anything I have ever posted. My previous point though voids your statement in this post though since it is a delegated power. .
    See above.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan;1058786388[B
    post #19 (Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards)[/B]: Again, my delegated power arguement is my rebuttle..
    See above.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    And my point about having you going back and re-reading all my posts is so you would realize I'm not going to do something you can do yourself.
    So you're going to hurl out empty rhetoric without any basis in reality and fact. Great that means I can ignore you from now on.
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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Great I can't wait to destroy your argument.



    I give you James Madison on the subject of general welfare.

    “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and its (sic) will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

    "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831

    "That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them."-James Madison, Virginia Resolution of 1798.

    It seems that the author of the Constitution disagrees with your interpretation of the Constitution since the general welfare clause of Article I Section VIII Clause I is a declaratory clause that states the purpose of the entire section and is limited by the powers contained in Sections VIII and IX. Anything not enumerated in the powers delegated falls under the province of the states as per the wording of the Tenth Amendment.

    See above.

    See above.



    So you're going to hurl out empty rhetoric without any basis in reality and fact. Great that means I can ignore you from now on.
    Once again, learn to read. And the constitution is open to interpretation in case you didn't know. The circumstances and times have changed since the late 1780s. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the way the law is applied isn't always on founders intended it to be used.

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    Re: Congress Targets Teen Driving, Mulls Federal Driver's License Standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    who are you talking too
    You already know since you replied to my post.

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