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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    So they deserved to die then, I guess, right?

    Those evil, evil terrorists.

    Those terrible human beings who carried no guns and were transporting humanitarian aid to gaza.

    10 of them deserved to be shot, right?

    Come on. That is exactly the kind of bs that is hurting this world right now. The idea that is ok to slaughter civillians and get away with it. No matter which way you spin it, the fact was that 10 people were killed by the Israelis in international waters, who were intending to give aid to gaza. This is WRONG.
    how do you propose to stop terrorists with deadly weapons attacking people
    seriously
    so you have a clue about reality

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think this is where the argument must shift. Once the troops were on the deck, I believe they had no choice but to defend themselves, they were put in a precarious situation, had I been on the deck and faced with all those people, I probably would have opened fire too. If I were the pilot and saw the people on the deck I would have aborted.

    I think the argument must shift as to whether it was the right decision to land the troops on the ships? Couldn't the navy have dealt with the situation when they came near the blockade? Why did they have to send these guys in? Especially now as we've discovered there have been no weapons found... where did they get the intelligence that there may have been?
    Israeli troops may have had to kill these people for their own sake, but that does not justify them being on the ship in the first place.
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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    how do you propose to stop terrorists with deadly weapons attacking people
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    so you have a clue about reality
    I don't know what your talking about. THese were not terrorists, regardless of how you spin it.
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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    True. But Israel had no right to board those ships, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the deaths of these people. Besides, you didn't see any reports of any Israeli soldiers being killed.
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    I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.
    The second issue is whether it is lawful to enforce a legal blockade in international waters. Again, law and practice are clear. If there is no doubt that the offending ships have made a firm determination to break the blockade, then the blockade may be enforced before the offending ships cross the line into domestic waters. Again the United States and other western countries have frequently boarded ships at high sea in order to assure their security.
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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Fair enough. Do you agree that the killings of these civillians were wrong?
    It's unfortunate that these people died unnecessarily, but the actions of the activists were in no small part responsible for the build up to violence. I'm sure that both sides would have preferred that no one die, but the activists were looking to escalate the situation and the Israelis obliged.


    As an aside, the fact that this was in international waters does not make this illegal, as has been discussed ad nauseum in the other dozen threads on this topic.
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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I don't know what your talking about. THese were not terrorists, regardless of how you spin it.
    watch the video of the animals attacking the IDF UNPROVOKED
    All these animals had to do was allow the search to show there was NO CONTRABAND and things would have gone on uneventful
    but that would not serve teh Terrorists goals
    carry on in ignorance if you choose

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I'm shocked and surprised at how reactionary the people on this forum are. This is from Israeli news sources, for petes sake. Do you except them to make an honest assessment of who these people were and what happened aboard that ship?

    Honestly, you guys need to think outside the propaganda machine here.
    Israel has a free press sport, these are quotes taken from Turkish journalists from the families of the terrorists. Do you have anything but an ad-hominem to offer to the conversation?

    These people are on video invoking Islamist battle cries against Jews:

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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    So they deserved to die then, I guess, right?
    Yes.

    Those evil, evil terrorists.

    Those terrible human beings who carried no guns and were transporting humanitarian aid to gaza.
    They carried daggers, metal clubs, and at least one of them had a gun and upon the Israelis attempting to inspect the ships for weapons these humanitarians attempted to murder them. This was not about humanitarian aid to Gaza if it were then the offer by Israel to inspect the goods in an Israeli port from where it would be shipped to Gaza would have been accepted.

    10 of them deserved to be shot, right?
    Yes.

    Come on. That is exactly the kind of bs that is hurting this world right now.
    No the BS that is hurting the world right now are Jihadist anti-semitic terrorists bent on martyrdom for their imaginary man in the sky.

    The idea that is ok to slaughter civillians and get away with it.
    They were not civilians.

    No matter which way you spin it, the fact was that 10 people were killed by the Israelis in international waters, who were intending to give aid to gaza. This is WRONG.
    Ten terrorrists who attempted to murder Israeli soldiers conducting a legal weapons inspection on a terrorist funded ship that had nothing to do with humanitarian aid were killed. Score ten for the good guys.

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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    These people had the right to defend themselves. I will say for the millionth time, this happened in International waters.
    No they didn't this was an entirely legal weapons inspection. They had the stated intent of running the blockade, if there is no doubt that they were going to run the blockade then it doesn't matter if they were in international waters or not.

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    Re: 3 flotilla fatalities 'dreamt of martyrdom'

    all they had to do was let the IDF or Egypt inspect the contents. Instead they chose to run a blockade. they paid the price they wanted to pay. **** em

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