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    Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    PORT FOURCHON, La. — Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday that federal authorities have opened criminal and civil investigations into the nation's worst oil spill, and BP lost billions in market value when shares dropped in the first trading day since the company failed yet again to plug the gusher.
    Investors presumably realized the best chance to stop the leak was months away and there was no end in sight to the cleanup. As BP settled in for the long-term, Holder announced the criminal probe, though he would not specify the companies or individuals that might be targeted.
    "We will closely examine the actions of those involved in the spill. If we find evidence of illegal behavior, we will be extremely forceful in our response," Holder said in New Orleans.
    I believe that I am about to take a very unpopular position here, but I take this position because of logic, not emotion.

    OK, civil investigations? I can go with that. BP cut a lot of corners, misled the public, and in general, acted like complete douche bags. Sue them.

    But for the criminal investigations, I have some questions. Which laws of the land did BP violate? Did they commit perjury by lying under oath? Did they offer any kind of hush money to keep the extent of the spill secret? Doesn't look like it to me.

    I have a strong feeling that this is not so much about finding out if BP broke the law, but to mitigate the political damage to Obama over this incident, and also to have a scapegoat to point at. Yes, BP needs to be held accountable for the damage they caused, and made to pay a price, but a witch hunt of any kind is going to be detrimental to finding a solution that will keep this from ever happening again.

    I will follow the discussion here, as I put on my flame proof suit.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    The seal was supposed to close after the explosion. However, the seal broke.

    BP is a lot of things right now, but I have a hard time with the word "criminal", just as you do. It implies that this was intentional, calculated, and malicious. And as big of an f-up as this is, I don't find it to be any of those.

    Those who hate oil companies will want to see these people hanging from a rope. First, I just want to see people clean this up the best we can until we can seal it. How do we get it out of the water? That's what I want figured out. We'll dole out the blame and punishment later.

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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    I would be very surprised if actual criminal charges resulted from this. That being said, it's a great political move to divert criticism away from Obama and make him look tough.
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    cleanup, no

    sue, yes

    actually, from msm reports it appears the epa and mms screwed up as bad as anyone, all those exemptions and permits expedited...

    presidential priorities, malia knows, should be:

    1. stop the leak

    2. contain and cleanup the damage

    3. make things right

    not with this crew

    unbelievable

    42 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, 35 seconds...

    where's the CLEANUP, mr president?

    why are you WAITING, what for?

    why do you PUBLICIZE this political prosecution, instead?

    pathetic

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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    where's the CLEANUP, mr president?
    This isn't some spilled wine on a carpet. You can't clean up this kind of mess over night. This oil spill is the size of a state. If you have any plan on how to actually realistically clean it up give it to us.
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I believe that I am about to take a very unpopular position here, but I take this position because of logic, not emotion.

    OK, civil investigations? I can go with that. BP cut a lot of corners, misled the public, and in general, acted like complete douche bags. Sue them.

    But for the criminal investigations, I have some questions. Which laws of the land did BP violate? Did they commit perjury by lying under oath? Did they offer any kind of hush money to keep the extent of the spill secret? Doesn't look like it to me.

    I have a strong feeling that this is not so much about finding out if BP broke the law, but to mitigate the political damage to Obama over this incident, and also to have a scapegoat to point at. Yes, BP needs to be held accountable for the damage they caused, and made to pay a price, but a witch hunt of any kind is going to be detrimental to finding a solution that will keep this from ever happening again.

    I will follow the discussion here, as I put on my flame proof suit.

    Article is here.
    I doubt serious charges will be filed and I doubt there was serious criminal malfeasence. Still, this could be the worst environmental disaster in US history - it's worth investigating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The seal was supposed to close after the explosion. However, the seal broke.

    BP is a lot of things right now, but I have a hard time with the word "criminal", just as you do. It implies that this was intentional, calculated, and malicious. And as big of an f-up as this is, I don't find it to be any of those.
    It's definitely possible that BP is guilty of negligence
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    how 'bout we, umm...

    GET STARTED

    where's the NATIONAL MOBILIZATION

    where's the EXCITEMENT for CLEANING

    the ENTHUSIASM

    WE CAN DO THIS!

    SI SE PUEDE!

    the presidential putz hasn't even MENTIONED the WORD

    he's too busy fundraising, going on vacation, going on marv albert, going to state dinners, playing hoops with the blue devils...

    he still hasn't TALKED to a FISHERMAN

    a HOTEL OWNER

    a BOOKING AGENT

    he was in an out of the gulf in 3 hours friday, so eager to get back to chicago, his kind of town

    but his team, a bunch of lawyers, reveals their instinct, their proclivity...

    pathetic

    obama is gonna get SKEWERED for not appearing to be ON the cleanup, 42 days, 17 hours...

    he just doesn't get it
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how 'bout we, umm...

    GET STARTED

    where's the NATIONAL MOBILIZATION

    where's the EXCITEMENT for CLEANING

    the ENTHUSIASM

    WE CAN DO THIS!

    SI SE PUEDE!

    the presidential putz hasn't even MENTIONED the WORD

    he's too busy fundraising, going on vacation, going on marv albert, going to state dinners, playing hoops with the blue devils...

    he still hasn't TALKED to a FISHERMAN

    a HOTEL OWNER

    a BOOKING AGENT
    Have you been living under a rock, or have you intentionally been blocking out that most of those things ARE happening. And what word has he not mentioned? He's talked about cleaning up the oil spill, about the effects it has had, there has been national mobilization, there are volunteers, etc. These things you think aren't happening ARE.
    Reality tends to have a liberal bias.

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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how 'bout we, umm...

    GET STARTED

    where's the NATIONAL MOBILIZATION

    where's the EXCITEMENT for CLEANING

    the ENTHUSIASM

    WE CAN DO THIS!

    SI SE PUEDE!

    the presidential putz hasn't even MENTIONED the WORD

    he's too busy fundraising, going on vacation, going on marv albert, going to state dinners, playing hoops with the blue devils...

    he still hasn't TALKED to a FISHERMAN

    a HOTEL OWNER

    a BOOKING AGENT

    he was in an out of the gulf in 3 hours friday, so eager to get back to chicago, his kind of town

    but his team, a bunch of lawyers, reveals their instinct, their proclivity...

    pathetic

    obama is gonna get SKEWERED for not appearing to be ON the cleanup, 42 days, 17 hours...

    he just doesn't get it
    Gulf Oil Spill: Cleanup Has Cost Federal Taxpayers $87 Million So Far

    87 Million

    so far

    But cleanup has not

    EVEN STARTED

    LOL

    It took 20 years and Prince William Sound still is not recovered from the Exxon Valdez spill. Asking for things to be done, or started at this point is just pure political posturing, and zero substance.
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    tell it to carville, matthews, jindal, landrieu, plaquemines parish prez nungesser, the army corps of engineers, the coast guard official who said he was just "slow and dumb," the waitress on grand isle, the charter boat captain, the boom workers in terrebonne parish, afp, politico, abc, the wsj...

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