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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    i guess carville's just not SEEING it

    he certainly saw, however, ag holder's new orleans press conference, the preparation of the lawsuit

    the president MADE SURE of that, it's his highest profile priority

    what's clear is---outside our courts not enough is being done

    ie, in the gulf

    ie, in terms of controlling this dread

    Oil from Gulf spill hits Mississippi's Petit Bois Island - Environment - MiamiHerald.com

    UPDATE 1-Alabama closes oyster beds, warns swimmers over oil | Reuters

    pray

    44 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes, 16 seconds...

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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    And in your world, what does "preliminary" mean? Before the leak is stopped
    Preliminary, meaning "not final" or "rough." What I'm saying is entirely uncontroversial: Whether the estimates of current leak flow are 10k barrels/day or 20k barrels/day will have no impact on the final calculation of leak amount. That number will be at the heart of damage calculations, not preliminary estimates.

    Unless they've come up with a final conclusion as to exactly how much has spilled, it's not final yet.


    Please tell us, what decision pal?

    You mean the decision to not repair the BOP? Twice?

    You mean the decision to take short cuts that caused men to be killed?

    You mean the wink and nods that went on between MMS and BP, that Obama and everybody outside of those two groups would have no idea was going on?

    Are those the decisions you're talking of?
    I think you misunderstand me - I'm not talking about the decision to take actions that led to the leak, I'm talking about the DoJ's decision to announce a criminal investigation.


    It's got to be done. Unlike you, I can read what eye witnesses have said happened. Unlike you, I can say, without any partisan prejudice, that BP is ****ed. Why can't you
    Because I don't let the desires of my heart affect the way I see things?

    Again, if you're 100% positive that BP is ****ed, I suggest that you gather every penny you can get your hands on and short the living **** out of its stock. Let me know how it works out for you.

    Plenty of "links" have already been provided. I guess you missed them, ehh? I'm sure it was an honest mistake.
    Someone has posted links for what has happened now that BP is being indicted for criminal negligence? Did this person have a thick accent and talk about Skynet, or was it just a couple of bros in the middle of an excellent adventure? Please advise.
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Forgive me for not reading the entire huge thread and perhaps saying what has already been said:

    If corporations want to have all the benefits of being considered "persons" under the law, then they need to take the negatives as well, which include being liable for criminal activity.
    Corporations are already liable for criminal activity, and I haven't seen anyone suggest that they shouldn't be. That being said, I would be surprised if:

    1) The investigation turned up enough evidence to bring criminal charges, and
    2) It wasn't handled via deferred prosecution agreement rather than an actual prosecution.
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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    the mms APPROVED bp's alterations

    FIVE MINUTES after the drillers submitted their request

    exactly ONE WEEK before the explosion

    sue THAT

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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the mms APPROVED bp's alterations

    FIVE MINUTES after the drillers submitted their request

    exactly ONE WEEK before the explosion

    sue THAT
    I'm agreeing with RightinNYC here - the timing of this is not optimal and the political optics of announcing such a thing does what exactly? Provide BP more motivation? Is this more pressure on BP's throat? And even more optics... today the saw get's stuck cutting off the pipe, the majority of the oil is still not washing up, Gov. Jindal is requesting berms - the Fed is saying no it'll take too long, clean up is pain staking, more resources are still needed and the plans to help the people who for generations are unable to work other than attempt to clean up oil slicks are hurting.

    Cut to the White House over the past weekend... Obama went on vacation, played some b-ball and golf, was rained out during Memorial day in Chicago and tonight is hosting Sir Paul McCartney concert at the White House. Biased view? Absolutely and rightly so... the man should be focused on leading and communicating what the federal government is planning to do as to the clean up, the progress of the clean up, and the plan on what happens after the clean up. The lawyers were sent down weeks ago... so the WH knew and planned on the lawsuits. Where's the plan for the people of NO, of Mississippi? Of Florida?

    Let's take a look back in time shall we?

    http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgeOfFwI%2Em4v
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds open criminal probe of Gulf oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    the man should be focused on leading and communicating what the federal government is planning to do as to the clean up, the progress of the clean up, and the plan on what happens after the clean up.
    exactly correct

    stopping the leak should be #1

    containing the damage, #2

    cleaning it up, #3

    making restitutions should come down the road

    ask malia

    but don't ask her dad, he doesn't get it

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