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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    I would say that buring a flag alone does not determine whether one loves or hates a country...
    People forget that burning is the only acceptable means of discarding a flag when it's grown too worn to fly proudly. But burning a flag in protest? That isn't taking issue with a country's policies, that's attacking what the country stands for. That is unacceptable.

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    Anyways, the issue, for those who miss it, seems to be the people burning down not their own flags, but other flags and flagpoles, actually vandalizing other people's property.
    Honestly, I think the act of burning the American flag on Memorial Day is a much bigger issue than the trivial amount of property damage it represents. Flags are plentiful and cheap. What they stand for is precious and rare.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goof Noodle View Post
    This is the liberal double standard
    Explain how this is a double standard. I'm more concerned about the guys saying "if you don't love your country you shouldn't live in it." Does that include loving everything your country does? Woo! We all love health care reform because we love our country!

    In any case, I'd label these guys "assholes" but that's about it. You can love your country and still express outrage at some of the things it does. If burning a flag is how you want to express that, well, have fun with that jerkwad. (as long as it's your own flag)

    Vandalism is a crime and these guys should be punished according to that. Just because it was a flag vandalized instead of a car or something doesn't mean we should treat it more harshly.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goof Noodle View Post
    This is the liberal double standard
    How is that a double standard?

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Goof Noodle View Post
    This is the liberal double standard

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    People forget that burning is the only acceptable means of discarding a flag when it's grown too worn to fly proudly. But burning a flag in protest? That isn't taking issue with a country's policies, that's attacking what the country stands for. That is unacceptable.

    Honestly, I think the act of burning the American flag on Memorial Day is a much bigger issue than the trivial amount of property damage it represents. Flags are plentiful and cheap. What they stand for is precious and rare.
    I disagree completely. If I burn a flag, it might be a protest of the war in Iraq. I'm not automatically attacking freedom, the rule of law, any of our civil liberties, or whatever. You just said yourself that the reason for burning the flag is important... and then you turn around and pre-determine my (hypothetical) reason for doing it!

    Edit: And you can love your country and also hate some of the things it is doing. Unless you conservatives hate America now because of that health care thing?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    I don't understand the POV of people that say "IF you don't love your country, you should leave it" You can love your country and still hate the government. A flag is not a symbol of country but a symbol of government, and some people don't like what that flag represents.

    I also don't agree with the idea that I should have to leave if I don't love my country. Where will I go? Who will pay for me to leave?
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    These are simply the actions of people who do not comprehend or appreciate what better people than them have done for them.

    They are entirely unaware and don't give a crap what a Sudanese boy will wake up to tomorrow. Or what it means to live under Castro or Kim Jong-Il. They don't comprehend what their lives would be - or wouldn't be at all - if 400,000 Americans didn't die in World War II.

    This isn't about freedom to do what one pleases. This is about a complete lack of respect for anything anyone.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    What is a flag anyways? Simply a piece of fabric and a symbol of nationalist fevor. That's all. People burn them because they don't like nationalism. What's wrong with that?
    If it was their flag then I would say nothing, they instead burned the property of others and deserve to be punished for it. Had they been caught in the act I would support shooting on site for trespassing.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    People who don't love their country don't deserve to live in it-- regardless of which country it is.
    And where would that leave anarchists?

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Burning a flag is about as silly as taking offense to it.
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