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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which have demonstrated just as much knowledge of the flag and it's history as yours(hint: niether of us has shown any real knowledge from just the posts in this thread).
    This isn't a contest of who has more historical knowledge of the flag. This is about respect for the flag and what it represents.

    You can of course show where I said it had no meaning. Feel free, I am waiting.
    Not a problem:

    I would argue that those who attach such value to a piece of cloth do not understand patriotism.
    You just admitted you don't believe having value for the flag other than the material it is made up shows a lack of understanding of what patriotism is.

    To devalue the flag as you have done here by belitting its value beyond the material its made of only proves once again you will never understand why it is so wrong to burn it as a form of protest.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Making this kind of incredible ignorant claim about the flag being an empty symbol proves you will never understand.
    It's not an empty symbol, but what the flag stands for can mean different things to different people. What it means to the people can change depending on the popular ideology of the day. Thats why I don't put any real value in it. Yeah it's a nice decoration, but it really doesn't concretely stand for anything. Thats why I believe the most important symbol for America is the Constitution. It has real meaning, it has value. It is what America was built on, and it is what we stand for. It's values are at the very core of who we are as Americans. I would be more offended if someone was burning replicas of the Constitution than burning the flag. Though I would not stop them in doing so, because of what the Constitution stands for.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    This isn't a contest of who has more historical knowledge of the flag. This is about respect for the flag and what it represents.



    Not a problem:



    You just admitted you don't believe having value for the flag other than the material it is made up shows a lack of understanding of what patriotism is.

    To devalue the flag as you have done here by belitting its value beyond the material its made of only proves once again you will never understand why it is so wrong to burn it as a form of protest.
    What is not what you claimed. You claimed I said burning the flag had no meaning, which I did not say. People attach what meaning to it they choose to. I choose to attach meaning to real things, not abstract symbols.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Making this kind of incredible ignorant claim about the flag being an empty symbol proves you will never understand.
    It is an empty symbol. No matter how much meaning you try to pour into it, at the end of the day it is just a piece of fabric and of no real value. I can understand your attachment to such an empty symbol, that does not mean I have to consider it as having value.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If the Arts were so great, they'd pay for themselves.
    Not really. The "art" that pays for it's self is the lowest common denominator - think Hummels and Jersey Shore.

    All art devolves into entertainment without patronage and government support.

    Further, government investments in the arts return nearly 7-fold in tax dollars.

    Economic Impact

    The organization I work for receives about $60,000 annually in government dollars (federal, state, local). The economic impact is measured at $1.4 million; or the equivalent of 35 jobs created (based on our local average revenue). That's an income tax return of about $340,000.

    That would be a 176% return on investment.

    You take the money away from us; we have to cut jobs; shrink the event; and lessen the impact in the surrounding community - meaning fewer jobs created and less revenue.

    You can attack government spending all you like - but government investment in the arts pays for it's self and is a revenue positive expenditure in the long run.

    Now - those of you who are so against flag burning; are you also in favor of strong penalties for hate crimes? From what I've read, clearly, these individuals should be punished for vandalism, but nothing more.

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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
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    You just admitted you don't believe having value for the flag other than the material it is made up shows a lack of understanding of what patriotism is.

    To devalue the flag as you have done here by belitting its value beyond the material its made of only proves once again you will never understand why it is so wrong to burn it as a form of protest.
    Perhaps when right-wingers show as much respect for the principles that the flag represents as they do the fabric of which it is made, then your cries will have some merit. Patriotism is sooooo much more than waving a flag.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I will never understand why lefties love to burn our flag or to burn American soldiers in effigy...One has to wonder is their hate for this country and our brave military that they have to do this?
    Good Question Navy....I don't know the answer. Although I also wonder why the right-wingers love to try to burn the values and principles that our flag stands for. One has to wonder is it their hate for this country and our values that they have to do this?
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Perhaps when right-wingers show as much respect for the principles that the flag represents as they do the fabric of which it is made, then your cries will have some merit. Patriotism is sooooo much more than waving a flag.


    Right, so in otherwords, only left wingers are patriotic?
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Not really. The "art" that pays for it's self is the lowest common denominator - think Hummels and Jersey Shore.

    All art devolves into entertainment without patronage and government support.

    Further, government investments in the arts return nearly 7-fold in tax dollars.

    Economic Impact

    The organization I work for receives about $60,000 annually in government dollars (federal, state, local). The economic impact is measured at $1.4 million; or the equivalent of 35 jobs created (based on our local average revenue). That's an income tax return of about $340,000.

    That would be a 176% return on investment.

    You take the money away from us; we have to cut jobs; shrink the event; and lessen the impact in the surrounding community - meaning fewer jobs created and less revenue.

    You can attack government spending all you like - but government investment in the arts pays for it's self and is a revenue positive expenditure in the long run.

    Now - those of you who are so against flag burning; are you also in favor of strong penalties for hate crimes? From what I've read, clearly, these individuals should be punished for vandalism, but nothing more.
    No hate crimes. Hate crimes legislation rarely gets applied properly, it ends up being applied selectively. So we should do away with it in the first place.

    But no, there is no hate crime here. Just Arson.
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    Re: Flag Vandalism Mars Memorial Day in Several States

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Right, so in otherwords, only left wingers are patriotic?
    Or we hate the country according to NP. I put both comments in the same category.
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