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    Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    JERUSALEM – Pro-Palestinian activists sent another boat to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip on Tuesday and Egypt declared it was temporarily opening a crossing into the Palestinian territory after a raid on an aid flotilla that ended with Israeli soldiers killing nine activists.
    And, as before, Israel has the right to board that ship in international waters.

    1) The ship will attempt to run Israel's blockade, which gives Israel the right to intercept it.

    2) Israel also has the right to inspect the cargo of the ship, in order to insure that no weapons are among the other items.

    3) In addition, Egypt is opening up it's border with Palestine, in order for aid to cross over. Egypt is now pretty trustworthy, and would inspect shipments crossing over. This means that, with aid already going into Gaza from Egypt, there is no need for another ship to carry supplies directly to Gaza, unless.....................

    Fill in what comes after "unless". It's a no-brainer.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    It's like a battle to see who can out-retard the other.

    "Hey, these guys are trying to bring stuff into our country that we don't want, so let's board their ships in international water rather than wait two hours until they're in our water. That way we can gain absolutely no tactical advantage while needlessly outraging people who cry about international law."

    "Hey, we just got a whole bunch of positive publicity and world sympathy after these poor unarmed people were attacked by Israeli soldiers. We should follow up on that by sending military troops along so as to provoke the **** out of Israel and to make us look like the aggressor."
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Hey, we just got a whole bunch of positive publicity and world sympathy after these poor unarmed people were attacked by Israeli soldiers. We should follow up on that by sending military troops along so as to provoke the **** out of Israel and to make us look like the aggressor."
    If that's their tactic (and it looks like it is) it is extremely effective, have you seen the outrage caused by the boarding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    If that's their tactic (and it looks like it is) it is extremely effective, have you seen the outrage caused by the boarding?
    Actually it won't be.

    What he's saying is that the initial thing, if it was their tactic, was extremely effective. What won't be effective is then trying to do it AGAIN, after you've seen what happened, but this time sending military with it specifically to appear to be trying to instigate something.

    Its kind of like getting pulled over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. You may get some sympathy from friends and family for what seems to have been a really stupid thing to get pulled over for and horribly disproportionate since you're going to end up paying more in court fee's then in the fee's for the actual speeding.

    However if you then the next day drive by the same place knowing the cop is going to be there, going 1 MPH over again but this time with your middle finger up against your window flicking off the cop you're likely not going to have those same people showing you sympathy. Instead they're probably think you're a stupid douchebag, and probably regret showing you any sympathy in the first place.

    This is absolutely retarded on the part of the Turkish activists. This is deciding to go punch the full bee hive after you got stung walking under it earlier. There's no benefit to this and just reeks of a publicity stunt and stubborn childish stupidity.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually it won't be.

    What he's saying is that the initial thing, if it was their tactic, was extremely effective. What won't be effective is then trying to do it AGAIN, after you've seen what happened, but this time sending military with it specifically to appear to be trying to instigate something.

    Its kind of like getting pulled over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. You may get some sympathy from friends and family for what seems to have been a really stupid thing to get pulled over for and horribly disproportionate since you're going to end up paying more in court fee's then in the fee's for the actual speeding.

    However if you then the next day drive by the same place knowing the cop is going to be there, going 1 MPH over again but this time with your middle finger up against your window flicking off the cop you're likely not going to have those same people showing you sympathy. Instead they're probably think you're a stupid douchebag, and probably regret showing you any sympathy in the first place.

    This is absolutely retarded on the part of the Turkish activists. This is deciding to go punch the full bee hive after you got stung walking under it earlier. There's no benefit to this and just reeks of a publicity stunt and stubborn childish stupidity.
    This is a great analogy. And totally correct. Second time around Israel could just blow the boat out of the water and the world would probably shrug and say "Well, what the hell did you expect?"
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually it won't be.

    What he's saying is that the initial thing, if it was their tactic, was extremely effective. What won't be effective is then trying to do it AGAIN, after you've seen what happened, but this time sending military with it specifically to appear to be trying to instigate something.

    Its kind of like getting pulled over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. You may get some sympathy from friends and family for what seems to have been a really stupid thing to get pulled over for and horribly disproportionate since you're going to end up paying more in court fee's then in the fee's for the actual speeding.

    However if you then the next day drive by the same place knowing the cop is going to be there, going 1 MPH over again but this time with your middle finger up against your window flicking off the cop you're likely not going to have those same people showing you sympathy. Instead they're probably think you're a stupid douchebag, and probably regret showing you any sympathy in the first place.

    This is absolutely retarded on the part of the Turkish activists. This is deciding to go punch the full bee hive after you got stung walking under it earlier. There's no benefit to this and just reeks of a publicity stunt and stubborn childish stupidity.
    I'm not sure about that. Gaza is still besieged, and most people outside Israel (and possibly the USA) find it scandalous.

    To take your analogy, it's as if the speed limit on the freeway was 5mph. Someone who would drive at 10mph will always get the sympathy from friends and family since these people will always consider that the speed limit is excessively low.

    Likewise, any action that is against the blockade will get sympathy from many people, even if they turn messy, since most people consider that the blockade is a scandal.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is a great analogy. And totally correct. Second time around Israel could just blow the boat out of the water and the world would probably shrug and say "Well, what the hell did you expect?"
    It's a real posibility that is exactly what they will do.

    Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

    "We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war," the officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war."
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is a great analogy. And totally correct. Second time around Israel could just blow the boat out of the water and the world would probably shrug and say "Well, what the hell did you expect?"
    Actually that would be the best way to start one more intifadah IMO

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Actually that would be the best way to start one more intifadah IMO
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I'm not sure about that. Gaza is still besieged, and most people outside Israel (and possibly the USA) find it scandalous.

    To take your analogy, it's as if the speed limit on the freeway was 5mph. Someone who would drive at 10mph will always get the sympathy from friends and family since these people will always consider that the speed limit is excessively low.

    Likewise, any action that is against the blockade will get sympathy from many people, even if they turn messy, since most people consider that the blockade is a scandal.
    However if that person went by after getting ticketed and decided that he wasn't just going to speed, but was going to flick off the officer and yell "**** YOU" out the window, I wouldn't care that I thought the 5 MPH was stupid. The guy is acting like a douche and an ass, doing something he knows is illegal and will get him in trouble (because it did just before) and on top of that is doing extra action specifically to seemingly provoke a confrontation.

    That's like the epitome of douche, and deserves zero sympathy.

    Going back right after this, announcing it to the world, and sending warships along with it is the equivilent of flicking off the officer while telling him to go **** himself.

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