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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It's like a battle to see who can out-retard the other.

    "Hey, these guys are trying to bring stuff into our country that we don't want, so let's board their ships in international water rather than wait two hours until they're in our water. That way we can gain absolutely no tactical advantage while needlessly outraging people who cry about international law."

    "Hey, we just got a whole bunch of positive publicity and world sympathy after these poor unarmed people were attacked by Israeli soldiers. We should follow up on that by sending military troops along so as to provoke the **** out of Israel and to make us look like the aggressor."
    There is a reasoning though.
    Waiting for those 5 ships to enter the territorial waters would have highly increased the risk and pretty much ensure that at least one of those ships will reach the Gazan port.
    There was also the risk of Hamas sending its boats into the interception area and causing problems.

    In this case however we have two ships if I'm not wrong, and so they can be boarded on the territorial waters.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    No its not, you said that Israel should just stop the blockaid.

    I'm saying that in this particular instance, and in others, if Israel offers you an option to dock rather than break the blockaid and earn the consequences they should take it if they really give a damn about Gaza rather than making Israel look bad.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Why do conservatives find it necessary to use the label "liberal" to all those who have a different opinion?
    So you are not a liberal? What are you then?


    The EU is asking for an end of the blockade. That's 500 million people.

    The UN also condemns Israel for the blockade. That's 6 billion people, but the USA and Israel disagree with that, so it's rather 5,6 billion people

    Hmmmm....The entire EU? All the people? How could you possibly know that? have you polled each and every person in the EU?


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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ugg, the annoying thing through all of this Right is that I actually agree with your first example as much as I agree with the second, we just don't have any people mindlessly spitting Israeli propoganda in here yet so all the bull**** needing to be called out is one sided.

    Your illustrated one of the main reasons that I have zero sympathy for Israel thus far in this as well. There was no logistic reason in any way shape or form for them to have acted prior to the blockaid being breached.
    Then I'll give you one...... Israel wanted to do the boarding at night, if they had waited until the ships got within 12 miles of the coast, they would have had to board during day light hours..... usually a bad move for a modern military.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    And yet the potential danger and risk to the state of Israel seems likely far less if they attempted to do it during the day, but within their unquestionably legal zone rather than doing it outside but at night.

    I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is its okay for a Cop to go forward and beat down and arrest a person that says "I think I'm going to trespass on that property over there" while he's 100 feet away from said property because he's bent over tieing his shoe and thus its more likely the officer is going to be successful in stopping him while he's distracted.

    The legality of what Israel did is questionable at best to anyone looking at this without bias in their mind, while its legality would be unquestionable by any save for the most zealotous Israeli detractors if it happened within their legal border. What you're suggesting is that its fine to potentially break the law in stopping someone who MIGHT (lets even say probably will) break the law but has not done it yet simply because its advantageous to you to do so.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And yet the potential danger and risk to the state of Israel seems likely far less if they attempted to do it during the day, but within their unquestionably legal zone rather than doing it outside but at night.

    I'm sorry, but what you're suggesting is its okay for a Cop to go forward and beat down and arrest a person that says "I think I'm going to trespass on that property over there" while he's 100 feet away from said property because he's bent over tieing his shoe and thus its more likely the officer is going to be successful in stopping him while he's distracted.

    The legality of what Israel did is questionable at best to anyone looking at this without bias in their mind, while its legality would be unquestionable by any save for the most zealotous Israeli detractors if it happened within their legal border. What you're suggesting is that its fine to potentially break the law in stopping someone who MIGHT (lets even say probably will) break the law but has not done it yet simply because its advantageous to you to do so.
    I'd say a better analogy would be the cops have it on very good information that a gang is going to break into a home with children inside. The gang might be heavily armed.

    Now do the cops take the gang down before they break in, or after they break in?
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Of course




    The problem is more complex than just the blockade. To reach peace, a Palestinian state has to be created. And it can't be created as long as Palestinians are being blockaded.
    So the blockade is not the but-for cause of the violence in Gaza. Put another way, you were wrong when you said that if the blockade was lifted, there would be no need for weapons in Gaza.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There is a reasoning though.
    Waiting for those 5 ships to enter the territorial waters would have highly increased the risk and pretty much ensure that at least one of those ships will reach the Gazan port.
    There was also the risk of Hamas sending its boats into the interception area and causing problems.

    In this case however we have two ships if I'm not wrong, and so they can be boarded on the territorial waters.
    That sounds like a fairly reasonable explanation, though I'd still be inclined to say that the added risk of doing it 24 miles from shore is probably smaller than the risk arising from the international reaction. Nevertheless, hindsight is 20/20 so I'm not sure whether I can really fault them for this, especially considering the 24 mile rule is a pointless technicality.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The EU is asking for an end of the blockade. That's 500 million people.

    The UN also condemns Israel for the blockade. That's 6 billion people, but the USA and Israel disagree with that, so it's rather 5,6 billion people
    At what point did the world get to vote on how a country handles its internal affairs? If the EU doesn't like what Israel is doing, then it should do something about it. This passive-aggressive **** is played out.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So the blockade is not the but-for cause of the violence in Gaza. Put another way, you were wrong when you said that if the blockade was lifted, there would be no need for weapons in Gaza.
    That's one of the main thing that prevents peace, because, like the checkpoints in West Bank and the security fence, it makes life impossible for the Palestinians. Don't you agree???

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