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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I'm not sure about that. Gaza is still besieged, and most people outside Israel (and possibly the USA) find it scandalous.

    To take your analogy, it's as if the speed limit on the freeway was 5mph. Someone who would drive at 10mph will always get the sympathy from friends and family since these people will always consider that the speed limit is excessively low.

    Likewise, any action that is against the blockade will get sympathy from many people, even if they turn messy, since most people consider that the blockade is a scandal.

    I love this. Why do liberals find it necessary to speak in terms of "most people"?

    Now bub, back that up please.


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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    Going back right after this, announcing it to the world, and sending warships along with it is the equivilent of flicking off the officer while telling him to go **** himself.
    Well if they really send warships (I doubt they'll do it) that may be a way to force Israel to renounce to the blockade: Israel will have to weigh the consequences of letting the convoy bypass the blockade (= maybe some weapons could be smuggled but they are already being smuggled through tunnels anyways, and look defeated by international pressure) and the consequences of stopping the convoy (= possible escalation of the tensions with Turkey).

    A solution could be to get the ships checked by Turkish authorities (to make sure they don't carry weapons) before allowing them to land on the shores of Gaza.

    Another solution could be to lift the blockade and let everything enter Gaza. Weapons would enter more easily but people in Gaza would not have reasons to use them anymore.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

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    If that's their tactic (and it looks like it is) it is extremely effective, have you seen the outrage caused by the boarding?
    Yes, and the outrage would be considerably lessened if it happened with a ship that tried it again, this time declaring its intent to bring foreign military escorts up to Israel's border. You just don't get to do that, no matter how pissy you are over what Israel did the first time around.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I love this. Why do liberals find it necessary to speak in terms of "most people"?
    Why do conservatives find it necessary to use the label "liberal" to all those who have a different opinion?

    Now bub, back that up please.


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    The EU is asking for an end of the blockade. That's 500 million people.

    The UN also condemns Israel for the blockade. That's 6 billion people, but the USA and Israel disagree with that, so it's rather 5,6 billion people

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Or another solution, take Israel up on the offer to dock, let them expect the cargo for weapons and other illegal items, and if they're not there let the items into Gaza.

    Oh, but that wouldn't force an incident and cause problems and would actually just do nothing but HELP GAZA so naturally they can't do that.

    Its bull**** bub, and frankly its sick, because when it comes down to it you and people like your are the ones with blood on your hands for these peoples deaths as much as the Israeli's becasue you put the politics of your dislike and distaste for Israel ahead of the lives of the people who will undoutably face trouble on these ships that are actively agigtating a military force and the people of Gaza who obviously are secondary in importance to making Israel look bad.

    Its disgusting.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well if they really send warships (I doubt they'll do it) that may be a way to force Israel to renounce to the blockade: Israel will have to weigh the consequences of letting the convoy bypass the blockade (= maybe some weapons could be smuggled but anyways they are already being smuggled through tunnels anyways, and look defeated by international pressure) and the consequences of stopping the convoy (= possible escalation of the tensions with Turkey).

    A solution could be to get the ships checked by Turkish authorities (to make sure they don't carry weapons) before allowing them to land on the shores of Gaza.
    Or they could just wait until the ship comes within Israel's territorial water and then do the exact same thing. If Turkey wanted to intervene, they would be attacking Israel on Israel's territory.

    Another solution could be to lift the blockade and let everything enter Gaza. Weapons would enter more easily but people in Gaza would not have reasons to use them anymore.
    Do you honestly believe this? Really?

    The blockade started in 2007, right? Using your logic, it stands to reason that before 2007, the region of Gaza was perfectly peaceful and created no security concerns for Israel. I'm not a middle east scholar, but that doesn't sound right.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Ugg, the annoying thing through all of this Right is that I actually agree with your first example as much as I agree with the second, we just don't have any people mindlessly spitting Israeli propoganda in here yet so all the bull**** needing to be called out is one sided.

    Your illustrated one of the main reasons that I have zero sympathy for Israel thus far in this as well. There was no logistic reason in any way shape or form for them to have acted prior to the blockaid being breached.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Or another solution, take Israel up on the offer to dock, let them expect the cargo for weapons and other illegal items, and if they're not there let the items into Gaza.

    Oh, but that wouldn't force an incident and cause problems and would actually just do nothing but HELP GAZA so naturally they can't do that.
    Oh, but that's what I said there

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    you put the politics of your dislike and distaste for Israel ahead of the lives of the people who will undoutably face trouble on these ships that are actively agigtating a military force and the people of Gaza who obviously are secondary in importance to making Israel look bad.

    Its disgusting.
    That's not true, I don't distaste Israel, I just strongly oppose the blockade, because I find it causes much more negative consequences (misery and radicalization of Palestinians) than positive consequences (supposed security for Israel, but that is not true since the blockade is one of the reasons why there is no peace)

    Making Israel look bad by creating an incident is not a goal in itself, it's a way to bring international pressure so that they are forced to change their policies towards Palestinians.
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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you honestly believe this? Really?
    Of course


    The blockade started in 2007, right? Using your logic, it stands to reason that before 2007, the region of Gaza was perfectly peaceful and created no security concerns for Israel. I'm not a middle east scholar, but that doesn't sound right.
    The problem is more complex than just the blockade. To reach peace, a Palestinian state has to be created. And it can't be created as long as Palestinians are being blockaded.

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    Re: Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well if they really send warships (I doubt they'll do it) that may be a way to force Israel to renounce to the blockade: Israel will have to weigh the consequences of letting the convoy bypass the blockade (= maybe some weapons could be smuggled but they are already being smuggled through tunnels anyways, and look defeated by international pressure) and the consequences of stopping the convoy (= possible escalation of the tensions with Turkey).

    A solution could be to get the ships checked by Turkish authorities (to make sure they don't carry weapons) before allowing them to land on the shores of Gaza.

    Another solution could be to lift the blockade and let everything enter Gaza. Weapons would enter more easily but people in Gaza would not have reasons to use them anymore.
    Good idea..... maybe we can use that here in the USA. and have the Columbian Cartels check for drugs before we let people over our borders.

    We could save a bunch of bucks that way.
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