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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    I usually pass over these headlines. Am I supposed to care? The allied forces in Afghanistan are pummeling their way through thousands of people to kill a few leaders who will be replaced instantaneously once they're dead. Sure, it will temporarily demoralize Al Qaeda, but it's not going to stop them. You can't stop an ideology.

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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3 | Reuters


    U.S. intelligence agencies believe that al Qaeda's No. 3 leader, Sheikh Sa'id al-Masri, was killed recently in the tribal areas of Pakistan, a U.S. official said on Monday.

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    "We have strong reason to believe ... that al-Masri was killed recently in Pakistan's tribal areas," the official said on condition of anonymity



    This weekend/holiday just got significantly better.
    Not to be a Debbie Downer (nobody wants this crap to end more than a military mom, trust me), but they've said stuff like this before, and then later it turns out they were mistaken, it wasn't the right guy they killed.

    Also, isn't AQ pretty decentralized?
    What I mean is, would it even matter if we killed the leaders?
    Wouldn't new leaders just step up and keep everything going?

    Oh, how I wish there were an end in sight.

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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    As many of you have said I agree that we hear we killed number X and that another person will fill in the shoes. But it is nice to hear that we got another one of these bastards and that maybe, even if for a second, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3 | Reuters


    U.S. intelligence agencies believe that al Qaeda's No. 3 leader, Sheikh Sa'id al-Masri, was killed recently in the tribal areas of Pakistan, a U.S. official said on Monday.

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    "We have strong reason to believe ... that al-Masri was killed recently in Pakistan's tribal areas," the official said on condition of anonymity



    This weekend/holiday just got significantly better.
    Who cares? al Qaeda is like a ****ing Hydra, there is no victory against them, And that does not mean we don't keep fighting them, but all I'm sayin is, You kill their #3, and 10 #3's emerge in their place.
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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I usually pass over these headlines. Am I supposed to care? The allied forces in Afghanistan are pummeling their way through thousands of people to kill a few leaders who will be replaced instantaneously once they're dead. Sure, it will temporarily demoralize Al Qaeda, but it's not going to stop them. You can't stop an ideology.

    So sick of this war. I wish Canada were pulling out of Afghanistan already.
    Each high-level operative killed takes to the grave with them a significant amount of knowledge and a skill set perfected over decades. Like any organization, of course there are others below them who know the individual above thems job and are trained to take over in such an event, and some may be even more capable than the leader they are replacing. That being said, each operative killed is a huge success, and when they are replaced the next should be hunted and killed as vigorously as the one before them.

    So sick of this war? Maybe the World Trade Centers coming down didn't have the same effect on you as it did on me. Could this be due to you being Canadian and the attack occuring in America? I don't understand how you don't see that as an attack on humanity, I can say 100% that if Germany or England, Canada or basically any other G-20 or NATO aligned country were attacked in such a manner I would fight and give my life if necessary in an attempt to prevent another such attack. You see the attack on America as a direct result of America's "immoral foreign policy" don't you? I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but that seems apparent in your post.

    Your defeatist attitude is sickening. You can stop an ideology. We defeated Fascism, Communism and Nazism. Radical Islam will be no different. Wahhabism will perish like all the other perverted ideologies that have appeared in history.
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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Who cares? al Qaeda is like a ****ing Hydra, there is no victory against them, And that does not mean we don't keep fighting them, but all I'm sayin is, You kill their #3, and 10 #3's emerge in their place.

    So stop hunting them? Let them get comfortable and regain the capabalities of carrying out another 9/11 or worse?
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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Not to be a Debbie Downer (nobody wants this crap to end more than a military mom, trust me), but they've said stuff like this before, and then later it turns out they were mistaken, it wasn't the right guy they killed.

    Also, isn't AQ pretty decentralized?
    What I mean is, would it even matter if we killed the leaders?
    Wouldn't new leaders just step up and keep everything going?

    Oh, how I wish there were an end in sight.
    Yes, they are pretty decentralized and there are undoubtedly numerous cells with plans in the works that will not be affected by this whatsoever. However, the killing of senior operatives creates disorder and power vacuums that aren't easily filled. Often times they have trouble replacing such leaders in an efficient manner due to their inability to communicate caused by the fear of U.S surveillance. The killing of Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq was a HUGE blow to AQI in Iraq, one that certainly led to disorganization within AQI. Such killings are also an important symbolic victory in a war where many successes go unheralded to their classified nature.
    Last edited by Polynikes; 06-01-10 at 03:13 AM.
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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3 | Reuters


    U.S. intelligence agencies believe that al Qaeda's No. 3 leader, Sheikh Sa'id al-Masri, was killed recently in the tribal areas of Pakistan, a U.S. official said on Monday.

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    "We have strong reason to believe ... that al-Masri was killed recently in Pakistan's tribal areas," the official said on condition of anonymity



    This weekend/holiday just got significantly better.
    Another number three? How many number 3's are there?

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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    This is good news, but being "number three" in Al Qaeda as described by the US is more for news purposes. AQ doesn't structure itself in strict hierarchy globally anymore, perhaps locally or regionally in some areas. So it may be more accurate to say #3 in the Afghan-Pak region, and even then one has to remember that AQ probably doesn't structure itself even at that level with #3s, perhaps it would more accurate to say he was a field commander or worked directly under Zawarhi. I don't know but still good news nonetheless.

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    Re: U.S. believes it killed al Qaeda No.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    So sick of this war? Maybe the World Trade Centers coming down didn't have the same effect on you as it did on me. Could this be due to you being Canadian and the attack occuring in America? I don't understand how you don't see that as an attack on humanity, I can say 100% that if Germany or England, Canada or basically any other G-20 or NATO aligned country were attacked in such a manner I would fight and give my life if necessary in an attempt to prevent another such attack. You see the attack on America as a direct result of America's "immoral foreign policy" don't you? I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but that seems apparent in your post.
    Fighting to prevent another such attack is all well and good...but I have to question if our presence in Afghanistan, nine years later, is actually doing anything to reduce the likelihood of another such attack. And even if it is, is it reducing it ENOUGH to justify the cost (in terms of lives, money, and political capital) associated with our presence there.
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