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Thousands march in Phoenix to protest immigration law

Dr_Patrick said:
It's not exactly something one can disagree with, now is it? The numbers are there. I thought it was a smaller margin. Also, I agree now that a majority of Americans agree with it? Please show me in this thread where I said anything to the contrary.
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Maybe I worded it poorly, I apologize for that, however, you did downplay the support of the law in the initial post I responded to.

It seems today there are far too many misrepresentations out there, and most of it coming from the administration itself.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Maybe I worded it poorly, I apologize for that, however, you did downplay the support of the law in the initial post I responded to.

It seems today there are far too many misrepresentations out there, and most of it coming from the administration itself.


j-mac
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My only point initially was that it wasn't a surprise that thousands turned out for the protest. While a majority does support the immigration law, there are a lot of people who oppose it too.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
What does where I'm from have to do with it? Obviously you didn't comprehend my post. My ONLY point was that it wasn't a surprise that there were thousands of people at the protest. :roll:
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I was replying to your comment that "people are pretty split about it". Not so much. It's pretty one-sided, especially down here.
 
Erod said:
I was replying to your comment that "people are pretty split about it". Not so much. It's pretty one-sided, especially down here.
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Well, when thousands of people turn out for a protest against the law, it tells me that people are pretty split about it.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
My only point initially was that it wasn't a surprise that thousands turned out for the protest. While a majority does support the immigration law, there are a lot of people who oppose it too.
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Do you support it, or oppose it?


j-mac
 
digsbe said:
It would seem that 30,000 to 100,000 people (protesters) are ill informed on the law. Regardless, the majority approve. If these people really believed that the law allowed police to ID anyone would they really be protesting? What would red flag an illegal immigration more than someone opposing a law that cracks down in illegal immigration?
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Yes if they were as "informed" as you are they wouldn't realize the law doesn't go into effect until the end of the year.

Also thank you for that massive stereotype going on there, if we were all as "informed" as you are we wouldn't know that simply holding a certain political view isn't probable cause or reasonable suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.
 
j-mac said:
Do you support it, or oppose it?


j-mac
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In general, I support cracking down on illegal immigrants. What concerns me is the fact that they can demand papers from people whom they have a "reasonable suspicion" about. I guess that term is a little too vague for me and would probably differ from officer to officer. It comes off sounding more like a witch hunt than anything.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
A police officer can pull someone over at any time and find a way to justify it.
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You're absolutely correct. Obviiously traffic laws can lead to "racial profiling". I believe we best do away with all of them due to possible abuse. Those cops can pull anyone over at any time and request to see their license and insurance papers. How ever did we let this go on for so long.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
In general, I support cracking down on illegal immigrants. What concerns me is the fact that they can demand papers from people whom they have a "reasonable suspicion" about. I guess that term is a little too vague for me and would probably differ from officer to officer. It comes off sounding more like a witch hunt than anything.
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Ok, fair enough. I think that anything that has to be done, should be, and we should start with closing the border for real this time.


j-mac
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Well, when thousands of people turn out for a protest against the law, it tells me that people are pretty split about it.
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Or it tells you they are illegals, or friends or families of illegals, or just looking for something to do on Memorial weekend......

People are NOT split on this, and it will play into the landslide about to occur in November, especially in these states.
 
Erod said:
Or it tells you they are illegals, or friends or families of illegals, or just looking for something to do on Memorial weekend......

People are NOT split on this, and it will play into the landslide about to occur in November, especially in these states.
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And you are speculating without any proof. All I know is that thousands of people turned out for the protest. There is no evidence to suggest what you are asserting here.
 
Erod said:
Or it tells you they are illegals, or friends or families of illegals, or just looking for something to do on Memorial weekend......

People are NOT split on this, and it will play into the landslide about to occur in November, especially in these states.
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Ya all those illegals, ok they dont count, friends and families of illegals, aren't people at all and don't matter because you disagree. I know thats not what you meant to say but its what you are literally saying...
 
zimmer said:
That said, it is their job to cover the news, not cover Obama's ass.

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Translation - If a view is unpopular, it should be censored to the public, for their own good.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
In general, I support cracking down on illegal immigrants. What concerns me is the fact that they can demand papers from people whom they have a "reasonable suspicion" about. I guess that term is a little too vague for me and would probably differ from officer to officer. It comes off sounding more like a witch hunt than anything.
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How is that different from something like "probable cause"? It's an officers job to make these sorts of judgment calls and are already using "reasonable suspicion" based on "unusual conduct" to justify limited warrantless searches (e.g. a pat down), stop vehicles, conduct body cavity searches at the border, etc. etc.

I believe the most questionable aspect of the law is that it requires police to request documentation if they judge a "reasonable suspicion" - this can hinder law enforcement when the info you need to get on a violent (illegal) criminal must come from a relatively benign community of illegals.
 
Wiseone said:
Ya all those illegals, ok they dont count, friends and families of illegals, aren't people at all and don't matter because you disagree. I know thats not what you meant to say but its what you are literally saying...
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No they don't matter. They are here "ILLEGALLY"!!!!! Since when does one get to pick and choose which laws they want to follow eh?

A country without defined borders, is NOT a country!


j-mac
 
Wiseone said:
Yes if they were as "informed" as you are they wouldn't realize the law doesn't go into effect until the end of the year.

Also thank you for that massive stereotype going on there, if we were all as "informed" as you are we wouldn't know that simply holding a certain political view isn't probable cause or reasonable suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.
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You're welcome :) I am not accusing everyone against the law of being illegal immigrants. I know many don't support it because they believe it allows for racial profiling (and I believe they are wrong). And it doesn't take effect at the end of the year, it takes effect next month in July.
 
jamesrage said:
The only ones against the arizona law that practically mirroris federal law are illegals and pro-illegals. Those who are against illegal immigration actually read the law and know that in order to be asked by the police about your legal status you have to first be stopped for a staffic violation, DUI check or some othe legal police contact.
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you really need to re-think your terminology. i don't know anyone who is "pro-illegal".....could you tell me where you heard that term please?
 
zimmer said:
The vast majority of Americans like what Arizona has done.
And Obama once again stepped in it calling the law misguided.

Let them protest, it just pisses off the masses more.

Why didn't the press cover it?
Perhaps, as Obama propagandists they figured he's up to his eyeballs in the latrine (most all of his own doing) and doesn't need another load of crap dropped on his head.

That said, it is their job to cover the news, not cover Obama's ass.

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could you please explain to me how not covering an event that protested the new law makes them obama propogandists? jeez.
 
liblady said:
could you please explain to me how not covering an event that protested the new law makes them obama propogandists? jeez.
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Easily. Did you even know they used Nazi emblems to describe people who agreed with the new law?

You can easily leave out news to make someone else look better than they are.
 
digsbe said:
It would seem that 30,000 to 100,000 people (protesters) are ill informed on the law. Regardless, the majority approve. If these people really believed that the law allowed police to ID anyone would they really be protesting? What would red flag an illegal immigration more than someone opposing a law that cracks down in illegal immigration?
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I wonder how many of the protesters were actually protesting the law and how many were paid to be there. I am not saying it happened but it is possible.

If you have ever seen an episode of COPS you will see that cops ask everybody with reason or not for their ID. If you are in the wrong area they ask, if you have a license plate light out, they ask. If you are walking and carrying something they ask. This law changes nothing other than the fact that they can now do something if the person doesn't have ID.

By the way, if an illegal gets stopped driving without a license he should automatically be arrested for putting the public in general in danger. No license and no insurance, and where did he get the car and how did he register it?

Don't get caught up on something that happens every day in every city in the nation.
 
liblady said:
you really need to re-think your terminology
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My terminology is perfect. I could use the term pro-criminals, but it is not as specific. If you support illegal immigration,amnesty for illegals(because it does encourage more illegal immigration),hiring of illegals, sanctuary cities,oppose the feds and states cracking down on illegal immigration then you are a pro-illegal or pro-illegals. I could use the term pro-criminals seeing how illegal immigration is a crime but it is too broad a term. So I just use the term pro-illegals or pro-illegal seeing hot it is a term that described people who are pro-illegal immigration.

i don't know anyone who is "pro-illegal"
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If you say so, but people like to lie all the time on the internet so I wonder how truthful you actually are.
 
From USAToday
A new survey out today says more American voters want an immigration law in their own state that's similar to the controversial one adopted by Arizona.
The non-partisan Quinnipiac University Poll shows American voters say by 48%-35% that they want an immigration law like the one in Arizona, which requires law enforcement officials to ask someone's legal status if there is "reasonable suspicion" to believe the person is in the USA illegally.

Poll: More Americans want an Arizona-style immigration law in their states - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2010 Election - USATODAY.com
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Well, when thousands of people turn out for a protest against the law, it tells me that people are pretty split about it.
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With over 4 million people here in the Phoenix area, 30 thousand is less than 1 %, just a small percentage of the population.
 
Wiseone said:
Ya all those illegals, ok they dont count, friends and families of illegals, aren't people at all and don't matter because you disagree. I know thats not what you meant to say but its what you are literally saying...
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All those illegals don't vote, so, in a sense, they don't count.
 
Erod said:
I was replying to your comment that "people are pretty split about it". Not so much. It's pretty one-sided, especially down here.
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I wonder how many of those protesters came from LA.
 
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