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Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

alms said:
Ryrine,

This is simply false. The express purpose of the blockade is to restrict the flow of deadly munitions to a belligerent and hostile group of extremists. Legitimate humanitarian aid (about 15,000 tones per week) is permitted to flow uninhibited to the populace of Gaza.

Either you do not understand international law or you are being purposely dishonest.
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You're the one that is being dishonest, since I linked to my evidence to support my claim of it being illegal. The 15,000 tones you mention don't make me laugh, since that is not enough to help 1.5 million people. Al Jazeera English - Europe - Rights council adopts Gaza report


These are the items that are allowed in too Gaza clohthing wasn't allowed untill 2010 What kind of threat does Clohthing have to Iseral serurtiy. Please forgive the spelling I am on a Mac.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:
You're the one that is being dishonest, since I linked to my evidence to support my claim of it being illegal. The 15,000 tones you mention don't make me laugh, since that is not enough to help 1.5 million people. Al Jazeera English - Europe - Rights council adopts Gaza report


These are the items that are allowed in too Gaza clohthing wasn't allowed untill 2010
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The bottom line is that the blockade is to stop contraband, if none exist then the ships would be allowed to pass, the flotilla did not comply. Ships manifest do not state smuggled items on board, therefor this is the purpose of the blockade.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:
Nope he is an lie, since an American was killed in the raid who had been killed trying to run away, since he was shot in the back...

Rachel Corrie was also an American, and this girl right here was also an American....
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Once more, you cannot simply assume he didn't do anything if he was shot in the back, he could have been shot by his friends, he could have been shot down by an IDF soldier from behind while shooting at other IDF soldiers at his front, it could have been many different things.
Simply drawing conclusive assumptions to satisfy your need for propaganda is not a wise step here.
 


He was shot four times in the head, and one in the chest. Yes, I can assume, since your desperate for any evidence too beleive that the Israelis are innocent in this. Yes, I can also assume by the autopsy report they were running away, since most of them were shot at close range, and the fact it was an execution still killing.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:


He was shot four times in the head, and one in the chest. Yes, I can assume, since your desperate for any evidence too beleive that the Israelis are innocent in this. Yes, I can also assume by the autopsy report they were running away, since most of them were shot at close range, and the fact it was an execution still killing.
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I've already exposed you then.
You do not look for evidence or facts, but for ways to spew hatred towards Israel and Israeli soldiers.

Feel free to mourn for this innocent man, who's only sin was the attempt at the murder of an Israeli soldier.
 
Cole said:
Just so we don't mislead your audience here, the "American" happened to be born in New York, but he had spent his entire life living in Turkey....
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And that doesn't make an American to you then, but he is still an American in my oppion.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
He was shot four times in the head, and one in the chest. Yes, I can assume, since your desperate for any evidence too beleive that the Israelis are innocent in this. Yes, I can also assume by the autopsy report they were running away, since most of them were shot at close range, and the fact it was an execution still killing.
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Permit some of us to be a little cynical about the report of "1 in the chest, 4 in the head". Could end up being true. But for now, I ain't buying the story. Just seems a bit melodramatic....



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RyrineaHaruno said:
And that doesn't make an American to you then, but he is still an American in my oppion.
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So is the life of an American more valuable than the life of a Turk? The guy was supporting terrorism and attacked IDF soldiers. He forfeited his life when he chose to support terrorism and attack soldiers doing their job.
 
lol the US and israel just call anyone they don't like extremists ffs, this was retarded...

your boat gets invaded from ****ing helicopters with navy seals (supplied and trained by the world's soul superpower) and you're meant to just sit there and be chilled out about it, when you're objective is bringing humanitarian aid to people seriously in need of it??

of course, the US and Israel claiming the boat was full of "extremists" will make everyone side with them, but that's just ****ing words. Israel isn't a peaceful state, they're leading a genocide whether they can admit it or not, attempting to deny a group of people, based on ethnicity, their rights to human rights (not that i endorse human rights since it's the language of extremism itself, but it remains hypocritical they fight 'on the side' of human rights, while denying it)
 
RyrineaHaruno said:


He was shot four times in the head, and one in the chest. Yes, I can assume, since your desperate for any evidence too believe that the Israelis are innocent in this. Yes, I can also assume by the autopsy report they were running away, since most of them were shot at close range, and the fact it was an execution still killing.
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yes he probably was innocent until the exact moment he pick up a weapon of some sort and therefor he sacrificed his status of innocence out the window and then became a combatant.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Israel isn't a peaceful state, they're leading a genocide whether they can admit it or not...
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There is no genocide. From the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide:

...genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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Israel's policies and actions do not fit that definition.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
lol the US and israel just call anyone they don't like extremists ffs, this was retarded...

your boat gets invaded from ****ing helicopters with navy seals (supplied and trained by the world's soul superpower) and you're meant to just sit there and be chilled out about it, when you're objective is bringing humanitarian aid to people seriously in need of it??
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If you had read any of this thread you would have known the goal was never to bring aid.

of course, the US and Israel claiming the boat was full of "extremists" will make everyone side with them, but that's just ****ing words.
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They had links to terrorist organizations. Its way beyond words.

Israel isn't a peaceful state, they're leading a genocide whether they can admit it or not, attempting to deny a group of people, based on ethnicity, their rights to human rights (not that i endorse human rights since it's the language of extremism itself, but it remains hypocritical they fight 'on the side' of human rights, while denying it)
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Ah and now for the Anti-Semitism. Tell you what scooter, take any joining country to Israel and I'll be happy to compare their laws and treatment of women and other religions.

You as usual have no clue what you are talking about.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
lol the US and israel just call anyone they don't like extremists ffs, this was retarded...

your boat gets invaded from ****ing helicopters with navy seals (supplied and trained by the world's soul superpower) and you're meant to just sit there and be chilled out about it, when you're objective is bringing humanitarian aid to people seriously in need of it??

of course, the US and Israel claiming the boat was full of "extremists" will make everyone side with them, but that's just ****ing words. Israel isn't a peaceful state, they're leading a genocide whether they can admit it or not, attempting to deny a group of people, based on ethnicity, their rights to human rights (not that i endorse human rights since it's the language of extremism itself, but it remains hypocritical they fight 'on the side' of human rights, while denying it)
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1) Well first off the Israelis Navy doesn't have Navy seals, that would be the U.S. only and they weren't involved it was the IDF. 2) Running a military naval blockade regardless of your intention wil be met with force, resist the boarding party will be met with force and if this isn't successful then the vessel will be sunk, this has long been established for centuries and understood by just about every countries with sea going vessels. 3) claiming to be extremist or otherwise in irrelevant, the IDF was looking for contraband if the search turned up nothing then those ships would have been cleared to pass. The IDF didn't know what was aboard that ship, all the flotilla had to do is allow a boarding upon the ship but no they decided to run the blockade, very foolish indeed. 2) Lets talk about genocide, first off Israel is not the provocateur but Hamas is and indeed they do smuggle in weapons and fire upon Israel which BTW is a act of war. Now Turkey has committed such acts as Genocide but this is past history, non the less unless you have no bones in the closet then you have no room for protest or accusations of genocide.
The Armenian Genocide, the first genocide of the 20th Century, occurred when two million Armenians living in Turkey were eliminated from their historic homeland through forced deportations and massacres between 1915-1918.
Armenian Genocide | United Human Rights Council
 
digsbe said:
So is the life of an American more valuable than the life of a Turk?
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To Americans? It should be. It should be to Israelis as well, since they are allies and the relationship between Israel and Turkey is neutral at best.

digsbe said:
The guy was supporting terrorism and attacked IDF soldiers. He forfeited his life when he chose to support terrorism and attack soldiers doing their job.
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This is the important point. American citizen or not, he challenged a foreign government in a war zone. There's a limit to how far we should go to protect individuals who challenge foreign governments outside of our jurisdiction. If we support our citizens' freedom to travel abroad and get involved in foreign affairs, we have to accept that some will suffer the consequences of doing so.
 
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Gray_Fox_86 said:
when you're objective is bringing humanitarian aid to people seriously in need of it??
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The proof lies in the fact that both Israel and Egypt offered to have all the food, medicine and other humanitarian goods sent to Gaza, if the boats agreed to land in an Israeli or Egyptian port. That humanitarian offer was soundly rejected by the leaders of the flotilla who publicly announced:

"This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians." (AFP, May 27, 2010.)
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Alan Dershowitz: Israel's Actions Were Entirely Lawful Though Probably Unwise
 
deltabtry said:
yes he probably was innocent until the exact moment he pick up a weapon of some sort and therefor he sacrificed his status of innocence out the window and then became a combatant.
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Wow just wow, so being shot four times in close range in the head means he was a combatant. Shooting someone in the head is generally know as a execution style killing. Why the hypocrisy when it comes to Israel, if Hamas had killed the American Citizen then you would be up in arms, and so would I. Hell, I pissed that Israel killed a American Citizen. Was his life more expendable too you, because he was an Turkish American, or that he spent most of his life outside of the USA, or because Israel killed him instead of another country.. . People like you, and Texmaster are the reason I fear for this nation.

The fact is this they were shot at close range, so it this wasn't self defense it a bloody excution style killing.
 
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RyrineaHaruno said:
The fact is this they were shot at close range, so it this wasn't self defense it a bloody excution style killing.
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It's called Close Quarters Battle and the IDF trains their special operations soldiers to triple tap a target. One in the head and two in the chest. With the weapons they usually carry have single shot and 3 round burst, which explains why there are 4 rounds and not three. By the way, the US and other special forces train regularly in CQB using the same tactics the IDF uses. In order for it to qualify as an execution style killing the head shot has to come from behind and up with the target kneeling on the ground; not from the front and the target standing.
 
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The_Patriot said:
It's called Close Quarters Battle and the IDF trains their special operations soldiers to triple tap a target. One in the head and two in the chest. With the weapons they usually carry have single shot and 3 round burst, which explains why there are 4 rounds and not three. By the way, the US and other special forces train regularly in CQB using the same tactics the IDF uses. In order for it to qualify as an execution style killing the head shot has to come from behind and up with the target kneeling on the ground; not from the front and the target standing.
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No, I call it a bloody execution style killing when they shoot someone in the head 4 time at close range.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
No, I call it a bloody execution style killing when they shoot someone in the head 4 time at close range.
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Then it's not and I'd like for Turkey to allow say the FBI perform the autopsy. For all we know, Turkey is lying about the results of the autopsy since they're no friend of Israel.
 
The_Patriot said:
It's called Close Quarters Battle and the IDF trains their special operations soldiers to triple tap a target. One in the head and two in the chest. With the weapons they usually carry have single shot and 3 round burst, which explains why there are 4 rounds and not three. By the way, the US and other special forces train regularly in CQB using the same tactics the IDF uses. In order for it to qualify as an execution style killing the head shot has to come from behind and up with the target kneeling on the ground; not from the front and the target standing.
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You are correct Patriot and this is a well known tactic for CQB and has been aired on the media and published in print not to mentioned usually trained and ingrained into our basic recruits, along with movies and everything else countless times. Although for those who are unaware of military tactics and training I am not surprised to read comments such as you commented on...thanks.
 
The_Patriot said:
Then it's not and I'd like for Turkey to allow say the FBI perform the autopsy. For all we know, Turkey is lying about the results of the autopsy since they're no friend of Israel.
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AHAHAHAHAHA, they are a friend of Israel However this incendiary event seems to be a beaker.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Wow just wow, so being shot four times in close range in the head means he was a combatant. Shooting someone in the head is generally know as a execution style killing. Why the hypocrisy when it comes to Israel, if Hamas had killed the American Citizen then you would be up in arms, and so would I. Hell, I pissed that Israel killed a American Citizen. Was his life more expendable too you, because he was an Turkish American, or that he spent most of his life outside of the USA, or because Israel killed him instead of another country.. . People like you, and Texmaster are the reason I fear for this nation.

The fact is this they were shot at close range, so it this wasn't self defense it a bloody excution style killing.
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Hamas has killed Americans here is just a couple of examples, although violence on the Jihad movement has been going on for a long time, and you say you fear Americans. Try living in the Middle East or engaging in combat, it easy to get outraged with watching something on T.V. when one isn't actually there themselves. You being a women are a second class citizen over in the M.E., misbehave just once and odds are you'll be executed. Here is a list, I can also supply video's if you like(extremely graphic), filmed by terrorist themselves.
August 21, 1995, Jerusalem, Israel. A bus bombing in Jerusalem by the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) killed four, including American Joan Davenny, and wounded more than 100. (is this acceptable to you)
More here:
AMERICAN VICTIMS KILLED DURING ARAB TERRORIST ATTACKS
 
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