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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you are claiming they never use boats to bring in weapons? I ask this before I embarass you with a link direct to that method.
    I said that they can get weapons in through the tunnels from Egypt any time the want and that the boats used by Free Gaza had been inspected for weapons several times. I also gave a link where you will hear one of the Free Gaza people explaining that. That is all I said.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    That was after all the reason for invading last year, was it not. An invasion in which one third of the deaths were children and which I understand increased Hamas's popularity
    Yeah we just installed new Childern seeking missles...But shh dont tell anyone its a secret that the Jewish War mechine is infact killing childern for a sport...

    Now to actually adress that remark :P
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    You know fine and well that as there are tunnels used all the time between Gaza and Egypt that if they wanted to smuggle weapons in they would do it that way rather than try to do it on a ship which had been searched repeadly.

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    You REALLY want to cling to the notion that this was just a humanitarian trip and NOT a political stunt...you know...like the one underway NOW? Seriously...you cant be that stupid.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You REALLY want to cling to the notion that this was just a humanitarian trip and NOT a political stunt...you know...like the one underway NOW? Seriously...you cant be that stupid.
    It is both Humanitarian aid and politically motivated. Both were always made obvious. There are more boats coming so it isn't over yet. Two more from Turkey and one from Ireland.

    What I have noticed is that this thread for the past ten pages or so has disintegrated into personal attacks, your's being just one.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Pff.
    You came in late dana, bub has already posted that pages ago.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So when do we hold the nation of Isreal to the same standard as we hold everyone else? Does the fact that the Holocaust happened give them some kind of free pass?
    I truly couldn't give two ****s about Israel itself as compared to any other similarly situated country. It's an ally, a business partner, and a democracy, so I consider it on par with places like the UK, Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc.

    I care about foreign policy and "international law." If the roles were reversed and this were a bunch of Israeli hippies who got boarded while trying to run a blockade to bring supplies to a Jewish neighborhood in Italy, I would feel the exact same way.


    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Not really sure what to say, since that guy is absolutely wrong. If the ship was carrying contraband (which it was, under Israeli law) or if the blockade is legal, the fact that the ship flew a Turkish flag does not mean that it cannot be intercepted.

    Israeli authorities have meanwhile cited International Law provisions applicable to armed conflict at sea. They says that merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral states in neutral waters can be intercepted if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade....”
    Moreover, that ignores the inherent authority of a state to proactively take action to protect its sovereignty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Out of curiosity - which resolutions and condemnations are you talking about? Were they UN only or were they also backed up by other International bodies?
    The UN GA has passed all sorts of resolutions condemning Israel (of course, that and 2.25 will get you a ride on the subway). Other international groups like Human Rights Watch have done the same, but much like the UN GA, they have no actual authority.

    How do you view those who tried to get around the blockades of WW2 or even the blockade by the USSR of Berlin? (Both times, US forces were heavily involved in getting supplies through the blockades)
    They were of course violating the blockades and were subject to interception by the people manning the blockades. If they refused to change their course, force could have been used against them.

    As has been reported widely since - the blockade is daily circumvented in the tunnels from Egypt. That's particularly where the weapons seem to come in. Seems really foolish to put together a botched operation on a humanitarian vessel carrying food and supplies when weapons are being brought in (to everyone's knowledge) via other routes..
    You think that getting involved in land operations along the seven-mile Gaza-Egypt border would cause less conflict than this?


    The primary goal of the activists has been to bring the blockade itself back into the world spotlight. Israel gave them one heck of a helping hand in doing so on Monday.
    Agreed.

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    If you've had military experience, you'd know the sound. If however you're a civilian and know there are Israeli forces on their way a stun grendae or "flashbang" could sound like gunfire.
    I was mostly referring to Degreez(?) use of the term to make it sound more dangerous than it actually was. It's like saying "a police officer used hard plastic projectiles intentionally fired at an individual at a high rate of speed with the potential to cause serious injury or potentially death" instead of saying "a police officer fired a beanbag."

    Yet others on this thread have said the flotilla was probably bringing real weapons in. My guess if I were preparing for a fight against military units would be to have more useful weapons than a abseball bat and a few wooden poles. One knife was shown on TV and the firearms used apparently were taken off the Israeli commander that was thrown overboard and another commando.
    IMO there was absolutely no chance that the flotilla was bringing actual weapons into Gaza, because they had to know that they were going to be inspected and that would have been a huge PR coup for the Israelis. Instead, what they did was pack a whole bunch of things on the top deck of the ship that could be used as weapons in a fight, but which they could also claim were completely innocuous. That's why we saw lead pipes instead of batons and long kitchen knives instead of hunting knives.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Moreover, that ignores the inherent authority of a state to proactively take action to protect its sovereignty.
    The ships were not going to land in Israel!

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And just you dare say something about Spain(When you're actually saying something about Europe)...
    I'm waiting for somebody to arrive and devote hundreds of postings demonizing Spain (or Belgium, Britain etc) attacking from every conceivable angle, indulging in every conceivable canard and allowing absolutely no reply but complete demonization and then try that "I really have nothing against Spaniards" line of b.s.

    Even more interesting would be to note whether the official representatives of various websites would repeat this same mantra.
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