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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Where was this outrage after the North Koreans committed an act of war on the South Korean vessel? God bless Isreal
    em, let me think, there were not some of our civilians on board
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    The consequences of the attack on the flotilla seem to be extending way, way beyond the "usual suspects", i.e. the countries, parties and organisations that are normally critical of Israeli policy towards Gaza in particular and the Palestinians in general. Here you'll see that the attitudes of one of Israel's staunchest allies in British politics has been radically changed by Monday night's incident...

    William Hague condemns Israel's "unacceptable" blockade of Gaza in wake of flotilla deaths - thetorydiary

    William Hague is the current UK Foreign Secretary and long-time member of Conservative Friends of Israel. Witness his wholehearted affiliation with the Israeli cause prior to this week...

    TotallyJewish.com | News | National

    An extract, if you don't feel like reading it all...

    "I understand the country's strategic fragility. Thanks to Conservative Friends Of Israel I've travelled across the country. I've stood on the Golan Heights and swam in the Sea of Galilee. I've stood on the part of the West Bank where you can see the Mediterranean, where you really understand Israel's strategic fragility. But we are candid friends, which means we don't always agree."

    How many more friends and allies are Bibi, Ayalon and their cohorts prepared to kick in the face?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So the UN says.
    Ah yes, that troublesome little body that neither US citizens or Israel likes - so it must be always in the wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Anyway if we are to stay on-topic I must point towards the fact that the shipment was carrying about two thirds of what Israel brings into Gaza every week.
    Which... is... still.... less.... than.... the.... Gazans.... need... every.... week....

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    As I posted earlier, (post #771) apparently these "humanitarian" vessels were carrying a cache of bulletproof vests, night-vision goggles as well as gas masks. A group of 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were however carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

    Frankly, this is just SOP for groups like this. Under the guise of "humanitarianism", they attempt to sneak it things that could only really be used for warlike purposes --
    Uhm.. "warlike" purposes would be rockets, bombs, guns, biological weapons etc. I'll accept that gasmasks and bullet proof vests are useful - too bad the 9 dead weren't wearing them eh?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Ah yes, that troublesome little body that neither US citizens or Israel likes - so it must be always in the wrong.
    You mean neither nor.
    The correct term is neither nor.
    Which... is... still.... less.... than.... the.... Gazans.... need... every.... week....
    So the UN says. Israel rejects that, saying that there is no humanitarian crisis in the strip.
    Uhm.. "warlike" purposes would be rockets, bombs, guns, biological weapons etc. I'll accept that gasmasks and bullet proof vests are useful - too bad the 9 dead weren't wearing them eh?
    They were.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post

    Uhm.. "warlike" purposes would be rockets, bombs, guns, biological weapons etc. I'll accept that gasmasks and bullet proof vests are useful - too bad the 9 dead weren't wearing them eh?
    I think we can agree however (should this story prove to be true) that there was more going on with these ships than simply a "humanitarian" mission.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    'Hamas blocking delivery of aid'

    Security forces say working to transfer humanitarian equipment from Gaza flotilla into Strip, but difficulties, obstacles placed by Hamas has so far prevented goods' delivery

    Amnon Meranda
    Published: 06.02.10, 18:35 / Israel News

    Hamas is blocking the delivery of the humanitarian aid that arrived on the Gaza flotilla, defense establishment sources said on Wednesday. Hamas has yet to respond to the claims.

    Security sources told Ynet that elements from the Defense Ministry's Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories unit (COGAT) have been in contact with bodies from the international community and the Palestinian Authority, in order to ensure that the humanitarian equipment enters the Strip

    However, the sources said, they have been unsuccessful, due to difficulties and obstacles placed by Hamas.

    According to the security sources, despite Hamas' objection, the unloading of the goods at Ashdod Port continues. Port workers and Defense Ministry elements have been working to unload the cargo since the ships docked on Monday, and Tuesday night, eight trucks containing medical equipment, toys, clothing and medicine arrived at the Kerem Shalom crossing.
    'Hamas blocking delivery of aid' - Israel News, Ynetnews

    Hamas doesn't like wheelchairs. You just can't make good rockets out of them.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I think we can agree however (should this story prove to be true) that there was more going on with these ships than simply a "humanitarian" mission.
    It was a fleet of propaganda, that has pretty much done its job.
    As I've said earlier the Turkish media has reported that three of the 4 dead Turks were dreaming about becoming martyrs.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...898109,00.html
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    BBC News - Gaza flotilla - Eyewitness accounts of Israeli raid

    Eye Witness accounts

    BBC News - Q&A: Israeli raid on aid flotilla

    Q&A on Raid

    BBC News - Israeli convoy raid: What went wrong?

    Raid – what went wrong?

    BBC News - Witnesses cast doubt on Israel's convoy raid account

    Witnesses cast doubts

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    -- There is a 100% certainity that the soldiers didn't come there with a deadly intent
    That, I'll agree with. Apparently there's inquiry in Israel about why this particular unit went in and botched the job.

    There is widespread agreement in Israel and around the world that, whatever the rights or wrongs about the Gaza flotilla, something went badly wrong with the operation to stop it.

    One commentator in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz remarked that "my six-year-old son could do much better than our current government."
    --snip--

    Five of the six ships in the flotilla did stop, but the main one, the Mavi Marmara, did not.

    (Update: several readers have pointed out that the protesters, as well as the UN high commissioner for human rights, consider the whole blockade illegal and that therefore, in their view, the Israeli argument becomes irrelevant.)

    'Unexpected'

    Warnings having predictably failed, Israel decided to use force.

    It did so using members of its seaborne special forces, Flotilla 13, with helicopters and speed boats.

    There has been debate within Israel as to whether this was the right unit to use. It is trained for combat, not crowd control --snip--

    Q&A: What went wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    -- On all of the other ships there were zero casualties
    Not entirely true – there have been witness accounts saying that there were beatings and electric shock treatment (probably Tazers) on the other ships.

    Activist Dimitris Gielalis, who had been aboard the Sfendoni, was among six Greeks who returned home on Tuesday.
    "Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat," he said.
    "They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used."
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    You REALLY dont see the 'Young Turks" commentary as being biased? Reeeeeally???

    OK...well...first off...

    1-We board vessels ALL THE TIME checking for drugs, human trafficking...etc
    2-The vessels werent out for a cruise...they were out with intent to run an established blockade. Why the blockade? Because terrorists have been getting guns and weapons by such means (and BTW...lets not ignore the fact that the Egyptians ALSO have a blockade in place because THEY know whats up).
    3-There was no effort by the vessels to get inspections...either by the UN or the Egyptians to verify that their cargo was of humantiarian nature.

    And of course the gratuitous use of the term 'right wingers'...thats not at ALL a giveaway...

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That, I'll agree with. Apparently there's inquiry in Israel about why this particular unit went in and botched the job.
    Israelis want to know why the soldiers weren't equipped with assault rifles and how come they haven't dropped smoke bombs when dropping the soldiers on the ship.
    Not entirely true – there have been [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10206802.stm]witness accounts saying that there were beatings and electric shock treatment (probably Tazers) on the other ships.
    This just proves to me that you do not question anything that is being said by the activists, since you've just referred to the account of one of those extremists as a fact.

    An advice to you would be that they were already caught on two lies.
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