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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The entirety of the ships' cargo? So, no weapons cache? No bomb-making equipment?
    Obviously Israel didn't let in the boxes of cold weapons.
    I assume that you're of course against it?
    You believe that every Gazan should have a long knife in his kitchen, so he can cut his T-bone steaks efficiently, no?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That doesn't mean it was funny. How many times have we seen photoshop montages of political leaders superimposed over the Titanic poster? It might have been slighlty funny had it been well done and had used the instantly recognisable face of Ahmadinejad. I recognised R.T. Erdoğan, but who was the other one? Khamenei? Don't think so, I've never seen a photo of him without a turban. My criticism isn't political, it's comedical.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You believe that every Gazan should have a long knife in his kitchen, so he can cut his T-bone steaks efficiently, no?
    A T-bone steak? What T-bone steak? You're talking about Gaza.

    http://www.savethechildren.org/count...aza-strip.html
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I reject that claim.
    I reject that too.
    Obviously I find that to be false.
    Maybe, maybe not.
    Nope, that would be incorrect.
    Me neither.
    Who's the third guy? Gardener ain't no Israeli, but seems like you really have your own definition for who's an Israeli.
    You haven't found such post because you weren't looking for one.

    Clearly your issue is not with me personally, as this post of yours is proving.
    My point is that once you turn the debate towards attacking your opponent, as you and Gardener both have done on this thread, the poo flies both ways. It has nothing to do with your nationality, as you say, Gardener isn't Israeli... and I'm not Spanish. Let's just leave this little exchange to one side and continue with the debate, ignoring the perceived prejudices of one another if we can.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    A T-bone steak? What T-bone steak? You're talking about Gaza.

    http://www.savethechildren.org/count...aza-strip.html
    Exactly.


    Edit: I find your source disputable since I know there are more than a few fat kids in the Gaza strip.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    How do you view those who tried to get around the blockades of WW2 or even the blockade by the USSR of Berlin? (Both times, US forces were heavily involved in getting supplies through the blockades)
    I don't know...

    Did Germany or the USSR give them options of allowing them to peacefully take the cargo past the blockaid after a check to make sure there was nothing other than truly humanatarian aid was present?

    Did they go about it expecting to be shocked and create an incident if the blockaid was enforced, or did they come prepared for that situation and fully acknowledged it?

    From my understanding, neither was the case. In both cases the US was attempting to bring items that those countries did not want in the country, so the option of peacefully doing it is negated. However, knowing they're bringing things that are unwanted through the blockaid they sent people with either the proper protection should the blockaid be enforced or with understanding that they weren't innocent bystanders if the blockaid was enforced.

    Here's the funny thing...

    I have little issue with the other 5 boats on the surface of what we know (without delving into assumptions). They wanted to get past the blockaid to prove a point and/or to deliver their aid, but once they were stopped...as they had to know they were going to be...they submitted to the authority and to the result they knew was extremely likely. If they had somehow managed to "sneak" through and actually make the drop and it was legitimate humanatarian aid you wouldn't see me shed a tear or speak a bad word about them.

    My issue is with the boat whose intent was clearly first and foremost proving a point and making a international incident to embarass Israel far more than it was to provide any kind of "aid". The boat who intended to break the blockaid and knew that there was an extremely high likelihood of being bored and that, upon that likely action happening, decided to instead of owning up to their attempt and the inevitable results chose to attempt to kill IDF soldiers who were doing their job, all with the seemingly obvious purpose of starting an international incident.

    Which, leads me to why they're morons.

    If you're attempting to run a blockaid that is routinely successful at what it does and you expect that you're not going to get caught, that you're not going to get boarded, and action isn't going to happen to you...and more so that they're not going to open fire if you start attacking them with metal clubs and knives...then you're an absolute moron.

    Somehow, I don't imagine any of the US blockaid runners of WWII or during the cold war were running the blockaids with the notion that they wouldn't be stopped (or just gunned down without anyone even boarding). And I don't remember any of the same kind of pathetic publicity stunts aimed at simply creating an international incident purposefully happening from those incidents, giving no indication that the U.S. was just trying to be douches attempting to enflame a situation for the sake of enflaming it like those here.

    As I said...

    The people on the ship that is at the heart of this are either Morons who didn't realize they'd get stopped or shot at if they attempting to break the blockaid or attack the soldiers; or their Douches who knew full well that's what would happen and did it specifically to cause an international incident and to make Israel look bad by putting them in a no-win situation.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No comment for the generalization you've made?
    What generalization? I mused that perhaps the comedic culture of his country wasn't terribly developed, it's hardly a dogmatic statement. Please don't be hyper-sensitive and do feel free to have a go at Spanish, British or general European comedy too, if you feel so moved. We can take the criticism, comedy´s hardly life-or-death, is it?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What generalization? I mused that perhaps the comedic culture of his country wasn't terribly developed, it's hardly a dogmatic statement. Please don't be hyper-sensitive and do feel free to have a go at Spanish, British or general European comedy too, if you feel so moved.
    I think that British humor has become repulsive.

    What happened to Monty Python and Mr. Bean?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -- And if this had happened on a street during the daytime in a planned protest with the proper equipment, I'm sure nobody would have been killed. However, it happened at night, on a boat, with activists attacking out of nowhere as soldiers dropped from a helicoptor one by one --
    Some reports I read stated that the flotilla tried to change course so that they would force the confrontation in broad daylight so they could film the Israelis better however the boarding happened in the dark.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Non-lethal explosion," or in non-spin mode, flashbangs.
    If you've had military experience, you'd know the sound. If however you're a civilian and know there are Israeli forces on their way a stun grendae or "flashbang" could sound like gunfire.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -- Do either of you honestly believe that it was happenstance that these people had all these things handy? The knives, the bats, the pipes, the catapults, the slingshots with marbles, etc.?

    There's exactly one explanation for why they had all those things at hand that they used as weapons - they planned on using them as weapons, but wanted to be able to make the exact argument you're making right now.
    Yet others on this thread have said the flotilla was probably bringing real weapons in. My guess if I were preparing for a fight against military units would be to have more useful weapons than a abseball bat and a few wooden poles. One knife was shown on TV and the firearms used apparently were taken off the Israeli commander that was thrown overboard and another commando.

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    -- About slingshots: are you considering that as a weapon?!?
    I would consider a slingshot a weapon.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I think that British humor has become repulsive.

    What happened to Monty Python and Mr. Bean?
    Political satire is a bit of a dying art but still (just about) alive... try listening to an episode of this radio show... you might like it... or not.

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