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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I believe Israeli government officails (including the PM, Netanyahu) have expressed regret however the deaths?
    Expressing regrets is one thing, not allowing collective punishment and disproportionate use of force is another.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The only really objective truth that seems uncontested is the fact that between 9 and 19 people died, none of them Israeli soldiers.
    Exactly 9 people have died.
    I know it doesn't sound as good as 9 to 19, but that's the accurate number.

    And did you really expect Israeli commandos to allow themselves to be killed?
    Who the **** wants to go that way? Being lynched by peaceful activists?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Wow.
    First sentence is a generalization, the other is a show of anger towards a satirical picture.
    Not anger, just a shrug of the shoulders.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The UN is in no way, shape or form impartial. Take a look at some of the GA condemnations of Israel that have come out in the past few years and try to tell me that it's impartial.
    Out of curiosity - which resolutions and condemnations are you talking about? Were they UN only or were they also backed up by other International bodies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    -- There's a blockaid there, you know there's a blockaid there, you're attempting to bypass the blockaid, you are an idiot either trying to prove a point at which point you deserve what ends up coming to you or you're dong it specifically to antagonize at which point you deserve what ends up coming to you. --
    How do you view those who tried to get around the blockades of WW2 or even the blockade by the USSR of Berlin? (Both times, US forces were heavily involved in getting supplies through the blockades)


    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    These are always fact-specific questions, but it seems like it could be reasonable to me. A lot of it depends on the status of the area being blockaded, where the blockade is located, what is being barred from entry, whether things can get in via another method, etc.
    As has been reported widely since - the blockade is daily circumvented in the tunnels from Egypt. That's particularly where the weapons seem to come in. Seems really foolish to put together a botched operation on a humanitarian vessel carrying food and supplies when weapons are being brought in (to everyone's knowledge) via other routes..

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -- And yet Israel offered to deliver all the things like food and wheelchairs by land if the convoys would stop trying to run the blockade. Guess the activists on those boats cared more about creating an incident than about getting that aid in there.
    The primary goal of the activists has been to bring the blockade itself back into the world spotlight. Israel gave them one heck of a helping hand in doing so on Monday.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    An unfortunate lack of today's de rigueur, politically correct antisemitism, perhaps?
    Your bias is showing. Maybe you should take a leave of absense and get a grip.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    That's their justification for killing 16 unarmed civillians in international waters?!?! BS
    Where was this outrage after the North Koreans committed an act of war on the South Korean vessel? God bless Isreal
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Expressing regrets is one thing, not allowing collective punishment and disproportionate use of force is another.
    What do you mean by "disproportionate use of force"? So because they had knives and metal poles that means the Israeli's must ration themselves to roughly 2 shots per person? I say they didn't use enough if those scum are still breathing. What about when "peaceful" humanitarian aid workers lynch a soldier? What about the disproportionate criticism of Israel? Is that not wrong too?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Not anger, just a shrug of the shoulders.
    And your defense for the making of a generalization is..?
    I was especially surprised by your reaction because most of the people who thanked that post are not pro-Israelis.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Expressing regrets is one thing, not allowing collective punishment and disproportionate use of force is another.
    Neither were allowed.
    Sending soldiers equipped with paintball guns is not using disproportionate force.
    There are many voices in Israel calling right now for an inquiry, to find out why the **** were the soldiers not equipped with assault rifle if they were stepping into a war-zone.

    The account of one of the soldiers was especially disturbing. At some part in his account he was saying "My hands were empty, and they came for war".
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Sad that the Israeli government did not notice what this was all about, a media stunt..and we fell right for it.

    Hopefully people will get to see the truth quicker using the internet so that the media wont screw their heads up ^^

    And lets hope that the next fleet does not get so luck ( i.e no one killed and no media mindeffin everyone )
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