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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    That wouldn't be very wise if you were untrained and outarmed.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    First, I don't understand why they kept on boarding while they were seeing that the guys on the ships were resisting violently.

    Then, I do not think that it is really difficult to find where to jump, but yes they could get hurt in the fall.

    But once more, I weigh the benefits (taking control of an humanitarian ship) with the cost (9 to 19 killed and 36 wounded + up to 10 IDF soldiers wounded + serious diplomatic troubles for Israel).
    Again, exactly 9 people were killed, you were already corrected on that and you continue to use wrong figures.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Bub, humanitarian ships don't react that way to being boarded.
    It's disputed but many people affirm that the boardings were illegal and thus the convoy had a right to self defence.

    The correct answer to this argument is simply to point out that the convoy was going to breach a blockade, which is illegal.

    And the answer to that is that the blockade itself is illegal (that's also disputed by some but the UN and the EU condemn it, and the situation of the Gazan population should be enough to convince everyone that the siege is not legitimate since it throws 1 million people into misery while not achieving any security goal for Israel)

    Now we may debate about the necessity of resisting violently. I do not condone the violent behavior of some people who were on one of the ship, but I want to point out that it can not justify the action of the IDF commando, which also put itself at risk by not planning any possibility to escape if things turn messy, and which reacted with a level of force that seems really disproportionate (see the comparison with the French riots, where policemen were also ambushed and outnumbered by people who had nailguns and molotov cocktails, but showed enough restraint to avoid any loss of life)

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Again, exactly 9 people were killed, you were already corrected on that and you continue to use wrong figures.
    Not only that, but it is impossible to state which bullets killed whom without forensic tests. Bullets tend to ricochet quite a bit on sea ships constructed mostly of metal.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I would if people were coming at me with guns that I didn't know were Paintball guns.


    And Crazy quite fooling yourself Is Israel botched this so badly




    Why would they keep firing, if the white flag had been raised?
    I saw that video , its editing made me die of laughter..I dont trust that news sorce for anything, i only trust raw footage and other things for facts..
    As far as I am concern that video is nothing but a news story aimed at as many views as possible for personal gain. :P
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It's disputed but many people affirm that the boardings were illegal and thus the convoy had a right to self defence.
    Self-defense applies when one is being attacked, not when a ship is being boarded after refusing to stop when being warned twice.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    they continued to come onboard cause first It was their orders, you dont just say " screw that I am going to watch the game" also they saw their friends and brothers to arms being killed down there ofcorse they would come down and try to save them )
    That's a very bad excuse, but it has been used many times by soldiers to justify their wrong doings.

    The Belgian paracommandos who were in Rwanda and did not shoot the Hutu murderers justified their passivity by saying that "they had orders to open fire only if they were shot at"...if they had wanted to use their machineguns they would have had to get authorizations from the secretary general of the UN...and the 10 who were tortured and then killed were also captured because of a question of hierarchy...

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Not only that, but it is impossible to state which bullets killed whom without forensic tests. Bullets tend to ricochet quite a bit on sea ships constructed mostly of metal.
    I wouldn't be surprised if some of the deads were killed by their own.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Not only that, but it is impossible to state which bullets killed whom without forensic tests. Bullets tend to ricochet quite a bit on sea ships constructed mostly of metal.
    Also its possible an activist who took a gun from a solider shot some of his own mates by mistake
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Self-defense applies when one is being attacked, not when a ship is being boarded after refusing to stop when being warned twice.
    Those who talk about the right of self defence also say that boardings in international waters are considered as acts of war...like blockades.

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