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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're comparing oranges and apples.
    Those are not even remotely the same situations.
    Yeah, the IDF commando was ambushed by people who had rods, the French policemen were ambushed by people who had guns firing lead ammunition, nails guns and molotov cocktails.

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Police fired on in Paris suburb

    The only difference is the reaction of the IDF/French police.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You're right, because he was condemned more. Calls for sanctions have already been heared. Where are the calls for sanctions on Israel?
    There was no UN resolution against his action, which proves my words.
    No evidence of any wrong-doing? I suggest going back a page or two and reread the posts regarding the legal opinions of the event. Stating there was no Israeli wrong doing is merely your opinion.
    There is no evidence for an Israeli wrong-doing, that is the truth.
    The activists were making claims that were already found to be lies, such as the claim that soldiers were not attacked at all.
    The IDF has backed each of its claims with evidence.

    You're speaking about the international waters issue, but that too is at most controversial and your opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Did Israel breach international law?

    This is disputed. A Turkish draft resolution circulated at the UN Security Council described the attack as a violation of international law. Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu called the raid "tantamount to banditry and piracy" and "murder conducted by a state".

    Israel's foreign ministry says that under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. It adds: "Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law."
    BBC News - Q&A: Israeli raid on aid flotilla

    Israel has had every right to stop the ship on international waters.
    The ship's declared purpose was to run the blockade, which has given Israel the required legitimization to stop it on international waters and inspect its cargo.
    If Israel had sunk which country's warship? It would be nuked by who? I don't really care for speculation based rhetoric.
    You only seem to care about your own speculation based rhetoric.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There was no UN resolution against his action, which proves my words.
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    If the USA blindly supported North Korea, there would be no UN resolution against North Korea neither...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Israel has, according to the Israeli government, every right to stop the ship on international waters.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Yeah, the IDF commando was ambushed by people who had rods, the French policemen were ambushed by people who had guns firing lead ammunition, nails guns and molotov cocktails.

    BBC NEWS | Europe | Police fired on in Paris suburb

    The only difference is the reaction of the IDF/French police.
    You're speaking about a bunch of drug dealers that have surprised police officers in an ambush, shot them and left the scene.
    I'm speaking about a group of soldiers outnumbered 6 to 1 being lynched with the full intent to kill them.
    Essentially what you're saying here is that the IDF should have not reacted to live fire that is being used against them, and should have instead dropped dead, which is of course ridiculous but not surprising at all.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    If the USA blindly supported North Korea, there would be no UN resolution against North Korea neither...
    The USA doesn't blindly support Israel.
    It didn't even side with Israel, so your claims are ridiculous but that is not surprising.

    As to the quote box, no, Israel has that right in accordance with international law - just as the US has that right whenever it stops a ship on international waters to inspect its cargo.
    But why argue about it? Let's wait and see.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're speaking about a bunch of drug dealers that have surprised police officers in an ambush, shot them and left the scene.
    I'm speaking about a group of soldiers outnumbered 6 to 1 being lynched with the full intent to kill them.
    Essentially what you're saying here is that the IDF should have not reacted to live fire that is being used against them, and should have instead dropped dead, which is of course ridiculous but not surprising at all.
    Well if you read the article, you see that the french policemen were outnumbered 7,5 to 1 being lynched with nail guns, guns firing lead cartridges and molotov cocktails.

    Essentially what I'm saying here is that the French police, unlike the IDF, knows the meaning of the word "restraint" since no rioter was killed.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    For those who want to know the motives of the guys on the humanitarian convoy:



    Why we sailed to Gaza | Lauren Booth | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
    Don't post your ****ing propaganda here pal, we've already exposed the organization behind this PR stunt for the jihadists that they are:

    IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.

    For anyone who wants to know the actual motivations behind this they should read that link, in it they will find that the IHH has close ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and funds international jihadist movements including Hamas. This was never a humanitarian campaign at all, if it were then they would have accepted the Israeli offer to come to an Israeli port to be inspected from where the goods would be transferred to Gaza.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Well if you read the article, you see that the french policemen were outnumbered 7,5 to 1 being lynched with nail guns, guns firing lead cartridges and molotov cocktails.

    Essentially what I'm saying here is that the French police, unlike the IDF, knows the meaning of the word "restraint" since no rioter was killed.
    If the police officers attacked with the lead ammunition and nail guns weren't on the ground bleeding they sure as hell would open fire and they would be justified.
    That you're saying they would not be justified in that is absolutely ridiculous and repulsive.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Don't post your ****ing propaganda here pal, we've already exposed the organization behind this PR stunt for the jihadists that they are:

    IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.

    For anyone who wants to know the actual motivations behind this they should read that link, in it they will find that the IHH has close ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and funds international jihadist movements including Hamas. This was never a humanitarian campaign at all, if it were then they would have accepted the Israeli offer to come to an Israeli port to be inspected from where the goods would be transferred to Gaza.
    Turkish media has shown 3 out of the 4 killed Turks saying before the interception that they intend on becoming Sha'aids. (martyrs)

    There is a growing suspicion that a group of nearly 100 people has blended into the crew of the Turkish ship, this group being recruited and equipped by the Global Jihad organization just for that cause, and that is the group that has attacked the soldiers when they came on board.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Here is even more on that:

    Gaza flotilla raid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    According to the charges that they had weapons/nvg/etc both the governments of Turkey and Norway have already commentated on that:
    Don't give me this crap, Israel had every reason to believe that these ships were carrying arms, a) the organization behind this stunt is a sponsor of global jihadists movements and Hamas itself, and b) they refused to come to an Israeli port to be inspected where the goods would then be transfered to Gaza. This was not a humanitarian mission, anyone claiming it is, is nothing more than a Jihadists propagandist as the facts clearly contradict them yet they continue to spew their vile Islamist bull****.

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