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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think is more like how much the world has become to hate Isael.
    Are you serious? It's perfectly justified to blame Israel for the blockade, and it's perfectly justified to blame Israel for the disproportionate use of force during a boarding whose legality is disputed, to say the least.

    If you use the WWII analogy, I think you should think again about who is the oppressor and who are the oppresed.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I think people in Israel are not in self denial, maybe our older than earth government is...I mean ffs we had the same people in office since the 40's wtf 0-0
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Are you serious? It's perfectly justified to blame Israel for the blockade, and it's perfectly justified to blame Israel for the disproportionate use of force during a boarding whose legality is disputed, to say the least.

    If you use the WWII analogy, I think you should think again about who is the oppressor and who are the oppresed.

    Actually when you got CHINA condeming you just after they supported NK sinking the SK boat killing 43 people...Thats just hatred 0-0
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    since the six-day war in 1967 Israel has been fixated on military force. The mantra is: what can't be done by force can be done with even greater force.

    Israel's siege of the Gaza Strip is one of the rank products of this view. It originates in the mistaken assumption that Hamas can be defeated by force of arms; or, in more general terms, that the Palestinian problem can be crushed instead of solved.

    But Hamas is not just a terror organisation. Hamas is an idea. A desperate and fanatical idea that grew out of the desolation and frustration of many Palestinians. No idea has ever been defeated by force – not by siege, not by bombardment, not by being flattened with tank treads, and not by marine commandos. To defeat an idea you have to offer a better idea, a more attractive and acceptable one. The only way for Israel to edge out Hamas is for it to quickly reach an agreement with the Palestinians on the establishment of an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as defined by the 1967 borders, with its capital in East Jerusalem.

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    But we cannot allow ourselves to forget for even a moment that force is effective only as a preventative – to prevent the destruction and conquest of Israel, to protect our lives and freedom. Every attempt to use force not as a preventative, not in self-defence, but instead as a means of smashing problems and squashing ideas, will lead to more disasters – just like the one we brought on ourselves in international waters, on the high seas, opposite Gaza's shores.
    Against ideas, Israel's force is impotent | Amos Oz | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    Actually when you got CHINA condeming you just after they supported NK sinking the SK boat killing 43 people...Thats just hatred 0-0
    China...and the rest of the world, including the whole European continent

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    China...and the rest of the world, including the whole European continent
    Europe has a lot to say with little to act or base it on. they are founded on the most dystructive and hateful roots in history ( no offense)
    And they they are uniting under EU ( somthing stinks in here) with no expirance in any modern warfar/politics of this matter.

    They assume they know something, when in reality they are just assuming their asses off..Just my 2 cents I like europe, but I think they talk alot out of their ass ^^
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    Europe has a lot to say with little to act or base it on. they are founded on the most dystructive and hateful roots in history ( no offense)
    And they they are uniting under EU ( somthing stinks in here) with no expirance in any modern warfar/politics of this matter.

    They assume they know something, when in reality they are just assuming their asses off..Just my 2 cents I like europe, but I think they talk alot out of their ass ^^
    You sound just like Chinese people I have heard of forums. They say Britain was colonialist in their past, now China wants it's turn. They say the US stole the Native American land and they want Tibet.

    Deal with how people are acting now.

    Whatever way, let's see how long any country can survive without friends.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    For those who care about international law:

    Will the rule of law be applied to Israel this time? In principle, it is unlawful for a state to enforce a blockade against ships that are flying the flag of another state on the high seas. The only exceptions to this would be if the blockade were mandated by the UN security council acting under chapter VII of the UN charter.

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    While international law does allow for exceptions to the above rule, entitling warships to interfere with ships flying the flag of another state while in international waters in limited circumstances, those exceptions do not apply to the events of 31 May. Indeed, a 1988 treaty (to which Israel is a party) criminalises the unlawful and intentional seizure or exercise of control over a ship by force, and all connected injuries or deaths.

    If the Israeli boarding of the ship was illegal, then arguably the passengers were entitled to act in self-defence against the invading commandos. If so, they could use reasonable force to defend themselves, the amount of force permitted being determined by Turkish law.
    Who will bring Israel to book over flotilla attack? | Daniel Machover | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    Europe has a lot to say with little to act or base it on. they are founded on the most dystructive and hateful roots in history ( no offense)
    And they they are uniting under EU ( somthing stinks in here) with no expirance in any modern warfar/politics of this matter.

    They assume they know something, when in reality they are just assuming their asses off..Just my 2 cents I like europe, but I think they talk alot out of their ass ^^
    Let's see...

    Israel has a lot to say with little to act or base it on. they are founded on the most dystructive and hateful roots in history ( no offense)
    And they they are uniting under Netanyahu ( somthing stinks in here) with no expirance in any modern warfar/politics of this matter.

    They assume they know something, when in reality they are just assuming their asses off.


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    You sound just like Chinese people I have heard of forums. They say Britain was colonialist in their past, now China wants it's turn. They say the US stole the Native American land and they want Tibet.

    Deal with how people are acting now.



    Whatever way, let's see how long any country can survive without friends.
    Yeah you are right sorry if my post came off like that.. I have a bad habbit of phailing to get ideas from me head onto paper/forums D:

    What I ment is that Europe has no expirance with whats happening in Israel right now, ( all the rest was me being an idiot i appoligize) they never had to deal with these kinds of events, and Israel is the only nation on earth to have this expirance with it.
    I propose if any other europian nations were to be in Israel's shoes they would also be like that, the world just sees us as we are cause we are diff, cause we are the only ones in this situation

    Again sorry for any disprespectful things I posted ^^
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