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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    The only boat where there was violance is on the big one...On all other boats no one was beat or anything, they cooperated and everything went smooth and their cargo is already in Gaza :_)

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    That may be what you have been hearing and there was indeed no violence against Israelis on any of the other boats. However as I said, yesterday an elderly American on one of the 'non violent' boats reported that when people sat down in passive resistance they were subject to beatings. He believed the Israelis were trying to keep this hidden. We will need to wait to hear what more people say happened on their boats.

    How do you think Israel will respond to the further Turkish boats and to the Irish boat?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That article is from the 1st of June, from yesterday.
    My assumption that your sources are not dated was correct.
    As to current time, the 2nd of June, it is a fact that 9 people have died as the BBC states it clearly, "Nine activists died" -BBC.
    Not immidately after as the word "triggered" implied.
    I don't have time to look for the direct source, but here's one of the sources from a quick googling:
    Israel begins freeing foreigners held after Gaza flotilla raid - CNN.com
    Every merchant vessel on the World's oceans must carry at least one firearm, usually one handgun and one assault rifle, for the protection of the vessel from acts of piracy, terrorism and mutiny. That's quite a simple answer, isn't it? The use of such weapons when the vessel is being stormed by helicopter-borne commandoes would be entirely legitimate. Clearly whatever firearms the vessels possessed may have been used, but clearly not with lethal effect as none of the storming commandoes were killed. Of course, Netanyahu's fanclub will not accept any criticism either of his government's policy, nor of the IDF actions, so this thread is doomed to remain a "yes they did, no they didn't" exchange.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    The same way they did with this one but hopefully if it came down to having to take over the boat legally like this time, it would be done with a brain behind the operation to limit the casualties on both sides to zero.

    they will prob send warships next time to cause a stalemate untill the crew agrees to have their cargo checked..

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I think is more like how much the world has become to hate Isael, kind of like it was in the 1930's leading up to the 1940's. The difference today is that the people of Israel won't lay down and take it this time. The enemy is niether the Palistinians or Israelies but those who are ruling the Palitinian people, using them as pawns and have been for some time now.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    indeed it is, but Bibi is an idiot and he has no idea what he is doing...its sad he is PM again..we used to have such good governments here who did beatfull millatery operations which had limited casualties and were amazingly done. But now days the IDF is starting to look like an old grandpa trying to throw a baseball its a hit and miss...at lest untill they replace the defense minister cause I think his time has gone already..

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMcCool View Post
    The same way they did with this one but hopefully if it came down to having to take over the boat legally like this time, it would be done with a brain behind the operation to limit the casualties on both sides to zero.

    they will prob send warships next time to cause a stalemate untill the crew agrees to have their cargo checked..
    Yes, I agree, this is more a battle of wits than bullets - or should be
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Every merchant vessel on the World's oceans must carry at least one firearm, usually one handgun and one assault rifle, for the protection of the vessel from acts of piracy, terrorism and mutiny. That's quite a simple answer, isn't it? The use of such weapons when the vessel is being stormed by helicopter-borne commandoes would be entirely legitimate. Clearly whatever firearms the vessels possessed may have been used, but clearly not with lethal effect as none of the storming commandoes were killed. Of course, Netanyahu's fanclub will not accept any criticism either of his government's policy, nor of the IDF actions, so this thread is doomed to remain a "yes they did, no they didn't" exchange.
    The use of live fire against those who board your ship after you refuse to comply with them and do not turn back/stop the ship is obviously not legitimate if you aren't under attack.
    Once the soldiers were under live fire they've had the right to self-defense and have used it.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    So when do we hold the nation of Isreal to the same standard as we hold everyone else? Does the fact that the Holocaust happened give them some kind of free pass?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So when do we hold the nation of Isreal to the same standard as we hold everyone else?
    Israel is asking the same question.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So when do we hold the nation of Isreal to the same standard as we hold everyone else? Does the fact that the Holocaust happened give them some kind of free pass?
    I don't think that this is the issue. I think it has more to do with the spiral of self-denial in which the Israeli state (and increasingly people) are engaged in. They believe that whatever actions are taken are legitimate because of the hostile environment in which they undoubtedly exist. It's understandable but self-defeating. This article is well written and thoughtful...

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