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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Is it me or a single gunshot (at 28", possibly a second one at the end of the video) triggered a shooting that killed up to 19 and wounded 36 people?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Is it me or a single gunshot (at 28", possibly a second one at the end of the video) triggered a shooting that killed up to 19 and wounded 36 people?
    9 people were killed, and it seems like they haven't responded with live fire even after that shot which was directed at them, so it's just you.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    9 people were killed
    Some sources still say 19, that's why I say "up to 19"


    and it seems like they haven't responded with live fire even after that shot which was directed at them, so it's just you.
    lol how comes there are up to 19 deads and 36 wounded? With the paintballs?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Some sources still say 19, that's why I say "up to 19"
    Doesn't matter, those are not updated sources it'd seem.
    Exactly 9 people were killed and that's a fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Nine activists died when Israeli commandos boarded the six-ship convoy early on Monday.
    BBC News - Gaza flotilla: Israel starts to free foreign activists

    lol how comes there are up to 19 deads and 36 wounded? With the paintballs?
    The soldiers did return fire at some point, but as I was saying that point seems to be after live fire was used against the soldiers.
    Anyway, how come there are 11 wounded soldiers, and how come one of the soldiers is suffering from gunshots that do not match the soldiers' weapons?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Doesn't matter, those are not updated sources it'd seem.
    Exactly 9 people were killed and that's a fact.
    Israeli commandos kill 19 in attack on flotilla trying to break Gaza blockade | The Australian

    we still do not know




    The soldiers did return fire at some point, but as I was saying that point seems to be after live fire was used against the soldiers.

    So they have responded with live fire even after that shot which was directed at them

    Anyway, how come there are 11 wounded soldiers, and how come one of the soldiers is suffering from gunshots that do not match the soldiers' weapons?
    Source?

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    No explanation can justify or whitewash the crime that was committed, and no excuse can explain away the stupid actions of the government and the army. Israel did not send its soldiers to kill civilians in cold blood; this is the last thing it wanted. Yet, a small Turkish organisation, fanatical in its religious views and radically hostile to Israel, recruited to its cause several hundred seekers of peace and justice, and managed to lure Israel into a trap, because it knew how Israel would react, knew how Israel is destined and compelled, like a puppet on a string, to react the way it did.

    How insecure, confused and panicky a country must be, to act as Israel acted! With a combination of excessive military force, and a fatal failure to anticipate the intensity of the reaction of those aboard the ship, it killed and wounded civilians, and did so – as if it were a band of pirates – outside its territorial waters.
    The Gaza flotilla attack shows how far Israel has declined | David Grossman | Comment is free | The Guardian

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    That article is from the 1st of June, from yesterday.
    My assumption that your sources are not dated was correct.
    As to current time, the 2nd of June, it is a fact that 9 people have died as the BBC states it clearly, "Nine activists died" -BBC.
    So they have responded with live fire even after that shot which was directed at them
    Not immidately after as the word "triggered" implied.
    Source?
    I don't have time to look for the direct source, but here's one of the sources from a quick googling:
    Israel's minister of public affairs, Yuli Edelstein, told CNN that an IDF soldier was wounded with a gun that was not an IDF gun.
    Israel begins freeing foreigners held after Gaza flotilla raid - CNN.com
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Then there's no point in me trying to debate with you any more. If you've made your mind up based on nothing but the bare allegations of one of the involved parties, then I can't expect you to be open-minded about anything else.
    I reported what one of the passangers reported. An elderly, around 70 Amerrican Man who was released from one of the boats where there was "no violence".

    The only place where I put an opinion was that in my opinion violence against non violence is violence. If you have a problem with that you have a problem with the very basis of morality and you are correct, there is probably little we have to speak about.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    How is attacking a group of soldiers "passive resistance"?
    It is a great pity some people feel a need to answer things without reading them. I was not talking about attacking anyone. I was talking about people on one of the 'non violent' boats sitting down in passive resistance. If you believe sitting down is an act of violence then you really do have a problem. I further reported that this 70 year old elderly man reported that the Israeli soldiers beat these people involved in this passive resistance (sitting down) and that he said his friend was in hospital black and blue and that Israel was allowing no one to visit him. I further made clear that this was what he said and that my believe was that he was being as honest as he was able to be.

    You did not read what I said. You are to gun hoe, wanting to blame people from the ship regardless and letting Israeli soldiers off regardless.

    If you believe in hitting innocent people who are sitting down, I think your morals stink

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Again, I don't have a problem with the actions of the other boats. I have a problem with the people who attacked the soldiers and then cried when they lost.
    In that case you should learn to read correctly. You should also develop the intelligence to look at the whole situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    And yet you've made up your mind that these soldiers beat an unarmed elderly man who was offering no resistance.
    Wrong again. I reported that an elderly American man reported that the people involved in the passive resistance were beaten up and that his friend was black and blue and in hospital because of this. He never said the age of the man and I never said this was my belief. I simply reported what the elderly American man who was understandably severely shaken said.

    The only place where I gave my opinion was that in my opinion to beat up people who are sitting down in passive resistance is an over reaction
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    The only boat where there was violance is on the big one...On all other boats no one was beat or anything, they cooperated and everything went smooth and their cargo is already in Gaza :_)

    Peace activist == Passive resistance

    Stupid Activist == ZOMGKNIFE STAB STAB STAB

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