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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I wish I could have replied earlier, but I was busy.
    Now here's a short review of this predicted disaster:

    For a bit longer than one week, the Israeli government, media, and pretty much the entire nation was busy with this upcoming attempt to break the blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt on the territory known as Gaza Strip governed by the Islamic militia, Hamas.
    It was more than known that this is nothing more than an attempt to provoke an Israeli reaction for the sake of pure propaganda.
    Cameras were set up, live feed was supplied 24/7 by one of the ships, and many Arab media networks have sent their delegations with the 'activists'.
    The ships were mainly populated by Turkish citizens and it is suspected that the Turkish government led by the Islamic party of PM Erdogan was behind the flotilla.
    The ship was carrying aid that is summed at less than what Israel enters into the Strip every week by about one third, obviously nothing that could hope to change the humanitarian situation in the strip, one which is really not as bad as it is being told.

    On the ship there were also more than a few popular extremists, including far-left Israelis, led by a far-left Israeli Knesset member(Israeli Parliament's member) from an Israeli-Arab political party, and also the leader of the Israeli Islamic movement, Rahad Salach, known as a major radical figure amongst the Israeli-Arab population.

    Since it was known that this is a lose-lose PR situation for Israel, Israel has tried to be flexible and has offered the 'activists' to return to their countries instead of being arrested, with plane tickets paid for by the Israeli state itself.
    And that's not all, Israel has actually offered that the flotilla would come to Ashdod's(Israeli coast city) port instead, drop the humanitarian aid there, and after a quick security check it would be transferred through the Israeli crosses into the Gaza strip, as Israel does weekly.
    Needless to say those offerings were refused.

    At the night of the interception, the Israeli navy has initiated the procedure followed at such cases and has called on the ship to stop.
    The first call was completely ignored.
    The Israeli navy has then called the ship to stop for a second time.
    That call was completely ignored as well.
    Realizing that the ship is not intending on stopping, or to even respond, the Israeli navy has given the green light to its commandos.
    The commandos have intended to swiftly make their way to the captain's rooms of the ships and order the captain to stop the ship. They knew that they're going to face light resistance, and hence were equipped with paint guns and non-lethal equipment used at protests.
    Every commando were also given a pistol, which he was told to use only at the danger of life.

    The take-over of most of the tiny ships have went perfectly and completely without any physical resistance from the 'activists'.
    On two of the three big ships they have met light resistance which they were able to face and swiftly prevent.
    On the third big ship however the case was not so.

    When the chopper filled with the commandos have attempted to land on the ship, 20 'activists' were waiting there for it, equipped with cold weapons, mainly long knives.
    The bloodshed has begun when a rope was dropped from the chopper onto the ship, to drop the soldiers in. The rope was grabbed by the 'activists', who were mainly Turkish citizens, and was tied onto an antenna in the hope of bringing the chopper down.
    Nevertheless, the soldiers did manage to drop into the ship one by one.
    At the end of the rope the violent crowd was waiting for the soldiers, grabbing and attacking each soldier on his turn when he has made it to the ship.
    The soldiers have managed to fight back the crowd, which has by then become 30, but were equipped with paint guns and were not allowed to use their pistols.
    Through all that time, the force commander on the chopper was shouting to his soldiers "Do not fire! Do not fire!", fearing that they would respond to the threat of life with live fire.
    Through the struggle 3 soldiers were moderately injured when they were stabbed by the crowd.

    At one point, a group of the thugs has grabbed one of the soldiers, took his pistol from his belt, and threw him off from the boat's rooftop, onto the ship's deck, a 10 meters height, hitting him on the head and seriously wounding him, and then has started opening fire on the soldiers.
    The soldiers have then all looked at the force commander, asking for the permission to be finally given, and the force commander has approved and have given them the permission to use live fire.
    The soldiers have drawn their pistols, and shot at the thugs, aiming for their legs in order to neutralize them.
    The crowd which has managed to take 2-3 pistols has been firing at the soldiers and has moderately injured two more soldiers.
    Through the disaster 15 of the 'activists' were killed and about 30 overall were injured.

    So here are the key points again:

    1) The flotilla was a predicted, planned provocation, and a successful propaganda act. The 'activists' have received exactly what they've wanted.
    2) The 'activists' have received an offering by Israel to take the humanitarian aid to Gaza by itself, and have refused the offering.
    3) The ships were taken to the port of Ashdod, the 'activists' that were injured to the hospitals, and the humanitarian aid to Gaza.
    4) The ships were warned to stop twice and have refused to comply or even respond.
    5) The Israeli forces were not equipped or ready for a live-ammunition conflict.
    6) "Out-of-proportions" force was not used by the Israeli Navy. In fact, the force that was intended to be used was minimal.
    7) The organization behind the flotilla is recognized as a terrorist organization, tied with al-Qaeda and Hamas, and it is also suspected that Turkey is behind the act.

    The probable results are the condemnations of Israel that were already made, a UN security council meeting and the further increase in damage to the already destroyed Turkish-Israeli relations.
    It is important to say that it is only the Turkish controlling party that is hostile towards Israel, and that the Turkish people do not support it as they did anymore.
    Erdogan is not bound to be the prime minister after the next elections.
    I do fear however that if an Israeli inquiry would find that the Turkish government was involved, it would take harsh steps against it on the international stage, and I'm against any of that kind of actions.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I,m not convinced 'boarding' and 'storming' are the same act...

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yes - - "storming" is the term favored by propagandists attempting to frame the event rather than understand it.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I wonder if one of our DP members was involved in this. I think some of you may know who Im talking about. He is from the UK and is a huge supporter of the Palestinian people and has been in Turkey lately.

    If these commandos were attacked then they have every right to defend themselfs. I know that dosn't matter to anti-israel crowd but we will have to see. It will also be intresting to find out what kind of contraband they found onboard these ships.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This is what we call

    No, the original choice of terms to use is the indication of spin. Learn a little bit about responsible journalism, and you would understand how certain choices of terms compromises the journalists neutrality.

    In this case, the violence was aboard just one of the ships, the Mavi Marmara, which was sponsored by the extremist organization IHH, which has ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Having boarded the ship, the IDF met with potentially lethal resistance and returned fire. You may certainly call the event anything you want, but unless you actually display some understanding, all you are doing is repeating the framing devices of others.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yes - - "storming" is the term favored by propagandists attempting to frame the event rather than understand it.
    Actually, its a term used in the military. Please refrain from showing your ignorance on matters you know little about, it only aids in derailing the thread.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, the original choice of terms to use is the indication of spin. Learn a little bit about responsible journalism, and you would understand how certain choices of terms compromises the journalists neutrality.

    In this case, the violence was aboard just one of the ships, the Mavi Marmara, which was sponsored by the extremist organization IHH, which has ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Having boarded the ship, the IDF met with potentially lethal resistance and returned fire. You may certainly call the event anything you want, but unless you actually display some understanding, all you are doing is repeating the framing devices of others.
    Correct Gardener, but the IHH is tied with al-Qaeda, not simply with the The Islamic Jihad movement, which is sort of a sub-group of al-Qaeda.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, the original choice of terms to use is the indication of spin. Learn a little bit about responsible journalism, and you would understand how certain choices of terms compromises the journalists neutrality.

    In this case, the violence was aboard just one of the ships, the Mavi Marmara, which was sponsored by the extremist organization IHH, which has ties to Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Having boarded the ship, the IDF met with potentially lethal resistance and returned fire. You may certainly call the event anything you want, but unless you actually display some understanding, all you are doing is repeating the framing devices of others.
    At the current time, some of those facts are in dispute. When you accept one side explanation of events without considering the other, and present it as fact, you are in fact, spinning. We do not yet know all that happened on the boat. Till then, it is premature to judge. Calling another view "propaganda", when all the facts are not in, is very much spinning, and demonizing some one who has a different view. Not good.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I'd like to add that so far only a few nations have taken on a reasonable response on the issue.
    A lot of countries were quick to condemn Israel and claim that a "blown-out-of-proportions" force was used without really knowing the facts, such as France, Sweden and Norway.
    Some other countries have acted wisely and said that they are waiting for further details on the incident before making a conclusive statement, such as the UK and the USA.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    At the current time, some of those facts are in dispute. When you accept one side explanation of events without considering the other, and present it as fact, you are in fact, spinning. We do not yet know all that happened on the boat. Till then, it is premature to judge. Calling another view "propaganda", when all the facts are not in, is very much spinning, and demonizing some one who has a different view. Not good.
    That's obviously correct, but do remember that there is only one truth, and that while some individuals are not yet aware of the facts that point at that truth, others already are.
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