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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    There are civilians everywhere. Just because there are civilians there, and you know there are civilians there, doesn't mean that killing civilians is the objective of your strike. All the smart weapons in the world can't change the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in warfare.
    There is still the concept of proportionality, which is not yet understood by the IDF.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    There are civilians everywhere. Just because there are civilians there, and you know there are civilians there, doesn't mean that killing civilians is the objective of your strike. All the smart weapons in the world can't change the fact that collateral damage is inevitable in warfare.
    Indeed. However, the fact is that you have mitigated to some level the lives of the people there. Cast it down so that you can excuse the behavior which results in the deaths of 20-30 civilians and 0 terrorists. Who's the real terrorist? The fact is that they did knowingly and conscientiously attack an area they knew to be well inhabited by civilians. That's that. It may not be Dresden, but it does demonstrate a certain lack of empathy and understanding of the other side's humanity in order to do. And it shows a certain moral ambiguity when they have zero problems take out 10's of civilians for a shot at 1 terrorist.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Actually, it sounds more like one columnist at one newpaper is saying that......



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    And they haven't even done that.
    They said that it was a big intelligence failure since they've sent our troops with paintball guns while the facts from the incident imply that they should have been sent with assault rifles instead.
    They want to know how come Israel was unable to find out that this ship was carrying armed people with a hostile intent before boarding the ship.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Saw about a 10 minute clip this morning from an al Jazeera reporter that was travelling with the flotilla ship. Boy, he really let Israel have it....!!!



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    lol Yeah, I kind of would have been pissed as well lol


    Cole I also would suggest Herztes is a Left leaning News paper in Israel who is very critical of their government
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    There is still the concept of proportionality, which is not yet understood by the IDF.
    The soldiers were equipped with pistols. They haven't used them all through the time where they were being lynched and attacked.
    They have only drawn their pistols once the soldiers were engaged with live fire.
    If anything, those who accuse those soldiers of disproportionality are those who should really be given a lesson about it.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    K, Madam Cleo. I guess you're psychic now and can read people's mind.
    No I just read your posts and your position. No mind reading necessary.

    There are. The point is when those extremists pop up, I'll be there to remind them that they are here in part because of their actions.
    So its a pot meet kettle moment.

    On this site, it's mostly Zionists and Zionist supporters. Therefore, when those people who are not honest enough to admit Israel's faults pop up; I'll just show them that Israel is where it is at in part to its own actions.
    Riiiight. There aren't any pro palestian anti Israeli people are there? LOL Still want to pretend you are neutral?

    Where do they get all their **** from? And why is it that this conflict still rages then? Sounds to me that perhaps they can't finish a job.
    They stopped when the attacks stopped. You wanted them to go wipe out Egypt and Syria? Thats your position?

    No, I told you exactly what they get to do. No one else gets to act with such disregard towards human rights and conditions as Israel with no negative consequences. They get our money our military tech to launch these operations, they behave in immoral manners against civilians, and they see no sanctions, no punishments, no nothing. They keep to go on doing what they are doing.
    I'll say it again real slow. You claimed Israel has said that they can do whatever they want because America will back them. I asked for a real example and the best you could do was equate behavior with a position based on personal theory.

    It was a pathetic attempt to circumvent your claim. I called you on it and you ran away. Shocking.

    Their alliance did though. Guess that shows you what entangled treaties can get you. Until that point, however, we were staying out of it.
    But they didn't. You just claimed we shouldn't get involved with a country that didn't attack us. Hypocritical debate is just a way of life for you.

    I have been completely honest about my position. Its you people whom have tried to make it sound like something it isn't.
    No one is misrepresenting your position. You chose a side. Trying to pretend you haven't is just sad.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed. However, the fact is that you have mitigated to some level the lives of the people there. Cast it down so that you can excuse the behavior which results in the deaths of 20-30 civilians and 0 terrorists. Who's the real terrorist? The fact is that they did knowingly and conscientiously attack an area they knew to be well inhabited by civilians. That's that. It may not be Dresden, but it does demonstrate a certain lack of empathy and understanding of the other side's humanity in order to do. And it shows a certain moral ambiguity when they have zero problems take out 10's of civilians for a shot at 1 terrorist.
    The use of human shields does not make one immune from attack. The war crime is intermingeling with civilians in the first place not striking the terrorist who was using civilians as cover.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Update: Video from the ship(Not footage from above) released.
    In it you can hear the soldiers as they're speaking between them on the radio line.
    At start they struggle with the crowd and report on difficulties, and then at some point a shot is being heard and one of the soldiers is heard screaming "Living fire! They are firing on our forces!" and then another soldier is heard screaming "They have live weapons down there! They have live weapons!".

    On other news, Gaza Strip - Israeli border escalated today.
    Rockets were launched at Israel early on the morning, after that two militants have succeeded in breaching through the border but were located by IDF troops, and after a quick exchange of fire, have both dropped dead.
    In response to the rockets launching the Israeli Air-Force has attacked a tunnel, killing 3 militants from the Islamic Jihad organization.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The soldiers were equipped with pistols. They haven't used them all through the time where they were being lynched and attacked.
    They have only drawn their pistols once the soldiers were engaged with live fire.
    If anything, those who accuse those soldiers of disproportionality are those who should really be given a lesson about it.
    Killing 10 to 20 people and wounding 36 more while a single one is said to have stolen a pistol to an IDF soldier is very disproportionate.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Killing 10 to 20 people and wounding 36 more while a single one is said to have stolen a pistol to an IDF soldier is very disproportionate.
    when under attack do you really COUNT how many are attacking?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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