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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Rumors circulating out in the news space that there may be a second running of the Israeli blockade. But this time with the Turkish Navy as an escort. Any thoughts/projections on how the US policy (and/or the US Navy) should respond if Turkey attempts such an action....?


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
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    Rumors circulating out in the news space that there may be a second running of the Israeli blockade. But this time with the Turkish Navy as an escort. Any thoughts/projections on how the US policy (and/or the US Navy) should respond if Turkey attempts such an action....?


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    Wow. If they do that then they are directly challenging Israel as a nation. That would not be smart by Turkey.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You probably ought to be able to corroborate your claim that the activists had assault rifles, right? Where are you getting that piece of information? I haven't heard, read or seen any such evidence. Perhaps you have access to information that ordinary DP members don't. But, had they had assault rifles, how come no Israeli soldier (according to an Israeli spokeman I heard 4 hours ago on the radio) suffered gunshot wounds? How come the only ones to have shot anyone were the soldiers?
    If I recall correctly you weren't really believing the knives part too at start, and now you do, no?
    And turns out Israel was right and the rest of the world was wrong.
    They had two assault rifles according to the witness accounts of the soldiers that have boarded the ship, and have used them.
    Besides that it was also reported that two to three soldiers have had their pistols, the ones they kept as a final resort, taken by the crowd and used against them.
    The clips of those pistols were found to be empty later on during the ship's scanning, implying they were used against the soldiers.

    And by the way two Israeli soldiers have indeed suffered gunshot wounds, so I do not know what you're talking about.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    This does not change the fact that it is legitimate.
    It means that legitimacy resides only in the mind of those that recognise it, i.e. Israel, the US Israel lobby and the DP ICDNW brigade, nowhere else.
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    Nope? As in "nope, Israel will suffer no consequences of this"?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Rumors circulating out in the news space that there may be a second running of the Israeli blockade. But this time with the Turkish Navy as an escort. Any thoughts/projections on how the US policy (and/or the US Navy) should respond if Turkey attempts such an action....?


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    Why would it be our problem? Sounds more like Israel's. We already have wars going on in the region, we don't need any more.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why would it be our problem? Sounds more like Israel's. We already have wars going on in the region, we don't need any more.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    OK, fair enough. There are some times. But I don't think many. Certainly, you know the apartment complex is occupied. When you bomb a place like that, you do so full well knowing that there are civilians there and that they'll die. You're doing it either to create civilian loss (as was the case in WW II in Tokyo), or because you have completely negated the lives of those civilians and think of them not so much as people, but things which are in the way of the current goal and thus it's ok to destroy them so long as you're maintaining this "intent" of the original goal.
    There are always the odds when fighting in civilian areas to hit civilians.
    Even when soldiers are being sent there for close-ranged fights there are still civilian lives lost due to the straying bullets from the contacts.
    War is ugly and in no war would no civilian die, but there exists a huge difference between a NATO airplane taking out innocent civilians while targeting terrorists and a terrorist taking out an innocent civilian while targeting innocent civilians.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If I recall correctly you weren't really believing the knives part too at start, and now you do, no?
    And turns out Israel was right and the rest of the world was wrong.
    They had two assault rifles according to the witness accounts of the soldiers that have boarded the ship, and have used them.
    Besides that it was also reported that two to three soldiers have had their pistols, the ones they kept as a final resort, taken by the crowd and used against them.
    The clips of those pistols were found to be empty later on during the ship's scanning, implying they were used against the soldiers.

    And by the way two Israeli soldiers have indeed suffered gunshot wounds, so I do not know what you're talking about.
    Knives? I think I was the one who mentioned them. There were knives, we saw knives, please don't raise red herrings. My point here is that the only "evidence" you are using is the "evidence" of what the Israelis are saying. Up until now we haven't known the extent of injuries or the evidence of the activists testimonies because Israel has kidnapped them.

    We can all also be forgiven for not swallowing the Israeli version of events without some degree of scepticism.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
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    Rumors circulating out in the news space that there may be a second running of the Israeli blockade. But this time with the Turkish Navy as an escort. Any thoughts/projections on how the US policy (and/or the US Navy) should respond if Turkey attempts such an action....?


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    This is absolutely disturbing.
    There would be only two ships coming however, and hence there would be no need to board them on international waters, since there is no chance of them making it to the port of Gaza as the fears were for the previous flotilla.
    If Israel boards the ships it should do so on Gaza's territorial waters, and if the Turks open fire then Israel must do what it must, however unfortuante and dangerous this is.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Knives? I think I was the one who mentioned them. There were knives, we saw knives, please don't raise red herrings. My point here is that the only "evidence" you are using is the "evidence" of what the Israelis are saying. We don't know the extent of injuries or the evidence of the activists testimonies because Israel has kidnapped them.
    Israeli soldiers were wounded by gunfire, that's a fact.
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