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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    You can try to pretend that Israel does everything by the book. But the fact of the matter is they routinely and aggressively act against the rights and liberties of Palestinian people. That can only go on for so long before people start fighting back; and you shouldn't be surprised when they fight back.
    You can try and pretend that Israel is the source of the world's evil and legitimize the murdering of its civilians, but Israel isn't going anywhere.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    I think only cowards use the cover of peace activists to attack soldiers that do not fire back, and I think it's ****ing brave not to draw your weapon out and shoot when you're at the danger of life if only because of your values.
    What about acts of using industrialized military power against weddings, picnics, and apartment complexes which are occupied by many innocent lives? Cowardly?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You can try and pretend that Israel is the source of the world's evil and legitimize the murdering of its civilians, but Israel isn't going anywhere.
    I never claimed any of that. That's for showing that you are indeed not intellectually honest.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What about acts of using industrialized military power against weddings, picnics, and apartment complexes which are occupied by many innocent lives? Cowardly?
    We've already established Hamas doing that yes
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It may be in response to Hamas, but you cannot pull it off without collectively punishing everyone. That's the dynamic behind the blockade. You stop **** from coming in, and it's not just stuff that Hamas was going to use. This is stuff necessary for the Palestinian people. You stop all ships, not all the ships are aiding Hamas, some are humanitarian, some are food stuffs, etc. But you block all ships. You cannot with any amount of intellectual integrity claim that the reality is that the people aren't somehow collectively punished for the actions of Hamas.
    Once more you're only stating opposition to blockades in general, not this specific blockade.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I never claimed any of that. That's for showing that you are indeed not intellectually honest.
    Dishonesty.

    You have claimed for more than one time in this thread that what Hamas is doing is "fighting back", legitimizing terrorism against Israeli civilians.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Once more you're only stating opposition to blockades in general, not this specific blockade.
    No, you said that it doesn't collectively punish the Palestinian people. I said by definition of what a blockade is, it most certainly does collectively punish the Palestinian people. Stay on target.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What about acts of using industrialized military power against weddings, picnics, and apartment complexes which are occupied by many innocent lives? Cowardly?
    If the intention is to kill civilians then surely it is cowardly.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Dishonesty.

    You have claimed for more than one time in this thread that what Hamas is doing is "fighting back", legitimizing terrorism against Israeli civilians.
    And there are times when the Palestinian people are doing just that. I didn't however claim that Israel is the "source of the world's evil and legitimize the murdering of its civilians"
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If the intention is to kill civilians then surely it is cowardly.
    There could be no other intent. Because you know the civilians are in there. So when you fire those rockets, you do so full well knowing that you are attacking and killing innocent civilians.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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