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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which started after years of Israeli abuse, which started after years of Palestinian retaliation, which began after years of Israeli aggression, which began after years of Palestinian attacks. Ect. etc. etc. We know the story. Both sides hate each other, both sides are horrible horrible dicks to each other. It's nothing but a circle of hate and violence now and all parties involved are too stupid to see the way out. All I'm saying is that it's no surprise that Palestinians act the way they do. You can only treat humans like dirt for so long, worthless, rightless pieces of meat before they get pissed off and fight back.

    So in your 'chicken and the egg' analogy, where is the start of this?


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Which started after years of Israeli abuse, which started after years of Palestinian retaliation, which began after years of Israeli aggression, which began after years of Palestinian attacks. Ect. etc. etc. We know the story. Both sides hate each other, both sides are horrible horrible dicks to each other. It's nothing but a circle of hate and violence now and all parties involved are too stupid to see the way out. All I'm saying is that it's no surprise that Palestinians act the way they do. You can only treat humans like dirt for so long, worthless, rightless pieces of meat before they get pissed off and fight back.
    I'm completely fine with you having an opinion but I what I mean to say is that the blockade specifically is the direct result of rockets launched by Hamas on Israeli civilians and has only been enforced once Hamas took over the strip and became its governmental body, which is a cutting evidence that this is not a collective punishment as some would claim but a punishment against Hamas and Hamas alone.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You have certainly displayed that you can mimic a popular buzzphrase, having repeated this hackneyed dogma time and time again. Since Israel offered to allow the ships to proceed through normal channels, however, who is being punished collectively?
    Still no intelligent response or question eh? If you don't mind, I'm discussing this with j-Mac and Apocalpse - I respect their difference and tactics as they haven't resorted to simple insults. One of the reasons I apologised to j-Mac for underestimating him.

    Goodbye.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Well well...



    I already did - about 4-5 posts ago to j-mac.



    Says who? On the other side, the UN, Amnesty International and the Swiss Govt (to name a few) have said otherwise. I should believe you because.............?
    I don't care what nations say, the world is filled with agenda-motivated hypocrites and this is nothing new, what I want you to do is not to refer to other nations' opinions but to the facts themselves.
    Clearly in order for the blockade to be illegal the intention must be to collectively punish the Gazan people.
    Can you prove that Israel is collectively punishing the Gazan people, and not simply cutting supplies to the terrorist organization that governs them?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So in your 'chicken and the egg' analogy, where is the start of this?


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    Probably with England making Israel. But the beginning is no longer important. It's now a cycle with no beginning and no end. Just endless rounds of lost human life over stupid things. And because both sides are blind, there can be no solution.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Still no intelligent response or question eh? If you don't mind, I'm discussing this with j-Mac and Apocalpse - I respect their difference and tactics as they haven't resorted to simple insults. One of the reasons I apologised to j-Mac for underestimating him.

    Goodbye.

    You acted in a condescending fashion towards Americans, when the favor was returned, you insulted my intelligence, and now you repeat yourself.

    Just because you repeat dogmatic buzz phrases, that does not mean you are offering any sort of valid argument.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's a very funny response. In the interests of balance let me reply... the UN is the ONLY impartial body that can investigate these incidents. The video says much but far from all. The Israelis were indeed attacked AFTER they attacked ships of a soverign nation in international waters using military assault methods. The original aggressors are clearly the Israelis. An investigation is clearly needed and, in this (alone) I agree with Don Sutherland, as much for Israel's benefit as anyone else's.

    If an inquiry finds that the Israelis were provoked into their actions by a clear and present danger, that the blockade they were enforcing has any legal legitimacy, and that the Israeli force was attacked before they began the assault on the vessels (iei that the convoy was using violent force to make its way to Gaza) then they will be exonerated.
    The UN is not impartial.

    The video shows the passengers initiated violence.

    Boarding a ship for inspection is not an attack on the ship.

    It is legitimate for Israel to board these ships in international waters.

    The original aggressors were NOT the Israelis.

    The blockade of Gaza is legitimate.

    The convoy's attempt to break the blockade is reason enough for them to be boarded.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm completely fine with you having an opinion but I what I mean to say is that the blockade specifically is the direct result of rockets launched by Hamas on Israeli civilians and has only been enforced once Hamas took over the strip and became its governmental body, which is a cutting evidence that this is not a collective punishment as some would claim but a punishment against Hamas and Hamas alone.
    But it's a total blockade, which means it affects everyone. It doesn't just get Hamas. That's like claiming it's ok to bomb an apartment complex with 20-30 innocent people in there because at one time there was a terrorist. And claiming that such act doesn't collectively punish or hurt the Palestinian people. As I said, you can only treat people like dirt for so long. Eventually they'll fight back.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Probably with England making Israel. But the beginning is no longer important. It's now a cycle with no beginning and no end. Just endless rounds of lost human life over stupid things. And because both sides are blind, there can be no solution.

    Interesting, so your belief, and forgive me if I misstate it, but your belief is that the very existence of Israel is an affront to Arabs in the region, and should not have been? So you agree with the Hamas charter?


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Interesting, so your belief, and forgive me if I misstate it, but your belief is that the very existence of Israel is an affront to Arabs in the region, and should not have been? So you agree with the Hamas charter?


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    You certainly read a lot into things. But you should probably know better by now. There is no doubt that conflict between Palestine and Israel erupted once Israel was created. You wanted to know the beginning, that was the beginning. And only a partisan idiot would deny that the creation of Israel in hostile lands didn't have anything to do with the start of conflict. But I said the beginning doesn't matter anymore, and nor does it. What matters is the endless cycle of hate and death which was created in the wake because neither side was ever able to accept the other. Israel could exist just fine if both sides would acknowledge each others humanity. But Israel treats the Palestinians like crap, denies as much as possible, takes as much land, fences them in like animals, patrols their streets, lodge soldiers in their homes, etc. And Palestine lashes back with whatever piss poor crap it can do. And everything is repeated. Zionists use the lashing out as excuse for more intervention against the Palestinian people. The Palestinian supporters use the increased intervention against the rights and liberties of the Palestinian people as excuse to lash out even more.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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