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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Well, not in West Bank, but that's another debate
    We're talking about East Jerusalem here.
    The only houses to be destroyed in the West Bank by Israeli authorities are houses of terrorists, and that's a very rare action.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The UN is absolutely not impartial. The video says it all. The Israelis were attacked. No investigation is necessary.
    That's a very funny response. In the interests of balance let me reply... the UN is the ONLY impartial body that can investigate these incidents. The video says much but far from all. The Israelis were indeed attacked AFTER they attacked ships of a soverign nation in international waters using military assault methods. The original aggressors are clearly the Israelis. An investigation is clearly needed and, in this (alone) I agree with Don Sutherland, as much for Israel's benefit as anyone else's.

    If an inquiry finds that the Israelis were provoked into their actions by a clear and present danger, that the blockade they were enforcing has any legal legitimacy, and that the Israeli force was attacked before they began the assault on the vessels (iei that the convoy was using violent force to make its way to Gaza) then they will be exonerated.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Israel would have had every right to do what they did if the ships were in their coastal waters. However, if they were in International waters as I've heard, then Israel was in the wrong and is being justly scrutinized.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Gisha is a small radical left organization
    And who cares? They were carrying food and wheelchairs to Gaza. You'll reply that it is illegal to break a blockade, but the blockade itself is illegal, and the UN has asked numerous times to end it.


    Actually it's completely false and rejects reality.
    Not according to the UN and most of the world outside Israel

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    We're derailing this thread however while Israel continues to act unilaterally by choosing when and whether to abide by international agreements, the Arabs who are on the end of those decisions will continue to act as they do. Why should the arabs abide by any rules when Israel equally does not?

    Anyhow, Israel isn't going to give up land anytime soon - particularly under Netanyahu - and the problem will continue to exist. The arabs aren't just going to lie down and live at peace within Israeli dictated terms anytime soon either. Either way - while nobody acts appropriately there aren't going to be any cessations in rocket attacks.

    That's bologna! Israel has time and time again given concessions toward peace. Hamas has in its charter to wipe out Israel, and drive them into the Sea. As long as that type of violent ideology exists, then Israel is within their rights to defend themselves, and take measures to secure the safety of their population.


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yes, this same august body made up of representatitives of so many totalitarian states and tin pot dictatorships, having once passed a resolution calling the right of self determination for Jewish people "racism" is now "impartial"?

    I can't imagine how anybody could be so incredibly naive as to believe that.
    At the risk of becoming repetitive, then who should and could conduct an impartial inquiry?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No one was surprised, the blockade only came several years after the beginning of the rocket attacks on Israeli civilians by Hamas from the Gaza strip.
    Which started after years of Israeli abuse, which started after years of Palestinian retaliation, which began after years of Israeli aggression, which began after years of Palestinian attacks. Ect. etc. etc. We know the story. Both sides hate each other, both sides are horrible horrible dicks to each other. It's nothing but a circle of hate and violence now and all parties involved are too stupid to see the way out. All I'm saying is that it's no surprise that Palestinians act the way they do. You can only treat humans like dirt for so long, worthless, rightless pieces of meat before they get pissed off and fight back.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    "Collective punishment" is far more truthful.
    You have certainly displayed that you can mimic a popular buzzphrase, having repeated this hackneyed dogma time and time again. Since Israel offered to allow the ships to proceed through normal channels, however, who is being punished collectively?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Of course it was a lose/lose situation which is why I feel sorry for Israel.
    A violent confrontation played right into Hamas's agenda.

    Seeing Turkey would have known about the cargo as so many of its citizens were on board, would it not have made sense to get them on board (and by them = Govt.) and say Israel would allow the cargo through as long as it was searched?
    First of all who says that Turkey can be trusted with that?
    Secondly they would not have agreed to stop the flotila, do remember that they called Israel not to intercept the ship and let it run the blockade.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Gisha" is a pro Palestinian propaganda organization, working within the Israeli system to undermine it. Much like the ACLU does here.


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    -- Gisha is a small radical left organization, I do not read their reports and I couldn't really give a damn about them
    Well well...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    -- but if you'd link to the report I'd be glad to refute their bullcrap.
    I already did - about 4-5 posts ago to j-mac.

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    --Actually it's completely false and rejects reality.
    Says who? On the other side, the UN, Amnesty International and the Swiss Govt (to name a few) have said otherwise. I should believe you because.............?

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