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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That is no justification of or for "collective punishment"

    What should Israel do? Live with it?


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    I believe when violations of the Laws of War take place, the necessary measures to hold the individuals responsible to account for the violations should be carried out. It should not matter what countries the soldiers are from. Hence, for example, I favored prosecution of those responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
    This thread is the perfect example of why I do not believe in international law. Enforcement of these supposed international laws is strictly a political affair in which there are no impartial parties to constitute a fair court.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What should Israel do? Live with it?


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    According to many that is the attitude.

    There is a new article out this morning giving the soldier's side of the story:

    Activists on board a six-ship flotilla carrying aid to the Gaza Strip tried to lynch the Israel Navy commandos who boarded their Turkish-flagged boat early Monday, Israel Defense Forces sources told Haaretz on Monday afternoon. At least nine people were killed and several more were wounded in the fighting that erupted aboard one of the ships.

    The IDF confirmed that at least seven Navy commandos had been wounded, two of them seriously, in a fight which apparently broke out after activists tried to seize their weapons.


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That is no justification of or for "collective punishment"
    If Gaza is being used as a staging area for attacks against Israel, it is enemy territory and Israel is justified in cutting off supply routes in and out of enemy territory.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What should Israel do? Live with it?


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    Israel has signed up to the accords if I recall correctly, that binds the state to adhere to the standards agreed: however recent history shows that Israel does not apply the conventions. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes so it could occupy territory is against the conventions but that doesn't stop Israel. BBC link

    Further, Gisha have gone through the legality or otherwise of the blockade of Gaza here in more detail than I ever could but Israel continues to do it.

    And here, you'll find the Geneva (Fourth Convention). Bulldozing Palestinian homes is against article 49 and deliberately punishing other people for crimes they did not personally commit is article 33.

    It's a good and informative read.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If Gaza is being used as a staging area for attacks against Israel, it is enemy territory and Israel is justified in cutting off supply routes in and out of enemy territory.
    Absoltuely correct. And the more we discover about these people who tried to run the blockade the more it looks like it was a delibrate setup to provoke a response.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If Gaza is being used as a staging area for attacks against Israel, it is enemy territory and Israel is justified in cutting off supply routes in and out of enemy territory.
    Israel is not justified - Israel signed up to the Geneva Convention. That doesn't prevent Israel ignoring the obligation as it has done before - but then the end result is aid flotillas like this which resulted in the incident on Monday. I partially agree your previous point that international laws and conventions cannot be enforced - however over the long term Israel has now ended up with only the US to whitewash its actions. Financially, that will cost Israel in getting supplies from other nations and the US in having to donate and pay for even more to ensure Israel has goods and can survive.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If Gaza is being used as a staging area for attacks against Israel, it is enemy territory and Israel is justified in cutting off supply routes in and out of enemy territory.
    They should just not be surprised then when it's used as a staging area to attack Israel.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Israel has signed up to the accords if I recall correctly, that binds the state to adhere to the standards agreed: however recent history shows that Israel does not apply the conventions. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes so it could occupy territory is against the conventions but that doesn't stop Israel. BBC link

    Further, Gisha have gone through the legality or otherwise of the blockade of Gaza here in more detail than I ever could but Israel continues to do it.

    And here, you'll find the Geneva (Fourth Convention). Bulldozing Palestinian homes is against article 49 and deliberately punishing other people for crimes they did not personally commit is article 33.

    It's a good and informative read.
    Very misleading.
    The destruction of Israeli-Arabs' houses by the Israeli state is the same as the destruction of Israeli-Jews' houses by the Israeli state, it is done because the buildings are illegal and nothing more.
    That one opposes the first and not the other points at either hatred, hypocrisy or both. That one opposes any of the two at all shows that he opposes basic laws that are acceptable everywhere.
    Build your house illegally and it'd be destroyed, whether you live in East Jerusalem or in Amsterdam.

    Secondly, the only basis that is being made by those who claim that the blockade is illegal is that Israel's intention is to punish the Palestinian population and not Hamas.
    Such basis is false since Israel has said a time after time that their intention is to cripple Hamas, so the blockade isn't illegal.
    That folks claim it is points at a political agenda and nothing more.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Israel has signed up to the accords if I recall correctly, that binds the state to adhere to the standards agreed: however recent history shows that Israel does not apply the conventions. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes so it could occupy territory is against the conventions but that doesn't stop Israel. BBC link




    Further, Gisha have gone through the legality or otherwise of the blockade of Gaza here in more detail than I ever could but Israel continues to do it.

    And here, you'll find the Geneva (Fourth Convention). Bulldozing Palestinian homes is against article 49 and deliberately punishing other people for crimes they did not personally commit is article 33.

    It's a good and informative read.

    Again, how much land should Israel have to give up for peace? All of it? how many rockets that kill civilians should Israel endure?


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