Deemed by whom? Hamas? The UN? Both have an agenda.
Do you have a source for that? Because according to Israel, members could have escorted their contents into Gaza to make sure they arrived.Israel does allow some goods in but apparently only a quarter of what is necessary and there are reports of malnutrition.
And why do you suppose that Egypt, a Muslim country as well upholds a blockade with Israel?"Collective punishment" is usually seen as illegal and would be if any other country than Israel were involved
but many American posters seem oblivious to the fact that Israel can sometimes do wrong.
That is always possible, but in a case where repeated attempts, and offers of peace have repeatedly been shunned by the Palestinians, and cease fires are shattered by rocket fire into populated civilian areas, then at some point an over reaction or two is inevitable.
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My objection is not to the call for an investigation, even if the language were more robust. My objection is not to expressing regret that people lost their lives. My objections concern a rush to judgment--condemnation in this case--before the facts are clear and an investigation has been carried out. Issuing a condemnation, which is tantamount to a finding of guilt, before an investigation is carried out and the facts/circumstances have been established is not balanced. It is this kind of action that has occurred time and again at the UN General Assembly, but not very often at the Security Council where judgment has been more collected and rational, not impulsive.
More specifically, I have no objections to releasing the ships and most of the crew. Those on the sixth ship should be detained, as should those who might have material information. Once it has been determined whether weapons were on board, appropriate prosecutorial action should be undertaken on that front. If no weapons were on board, then no prosecutions on weapons smuggling charges would be required. Those who engaged in violence should be prosecuted.Immediate relaease of the ships - they haven't committed illegal acts nor been found to have been trying to bring in any weapons for Gaza as some posters have tried to imply earlier. As for the civilians - no proof exists that they are terrorists or Hamas. Indeed some are international sympathisers including a couple of German MPs. Why are they locked up?
The "small number who started the violence should be locked up" - what happens if it turns out that the Israelis started the violence? We've all seen the footage of commandos coming on board - is this the start of action or have the IDF (like Al-Jazeera) only shown what is conducive to their arguement?
Of course. I mentioned that much earlier in this thread. I just wanted to point out that the interpretation that the flotilla enjoyed immunity from visits/inspection under the LOSC is incorrect.
However I have also heard the Israeli's were able to stop the motors of the others. Did they go into the others by helicopter or boat.
There is a tiny number of list of 600 people who were involved in any violence. It does not seem plausible to me to think that one ship with 600 people on board decided it would include ten terrorists and none on the others. I have seen loads of the people on the boats. They are just normal decent people I have seen.
and.....People in Scotland are already talking about another boat.
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But all the experts say the contrary:
Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaRobin Churchill, a professor of international law at the University of Dundee in Scotland, said the Israeli commandos boarded the ship outside of Israel's territorial waters. "As far as I can see, there is no legal basis for boarding these ships," Churchill said.
Ove Bring, Swedish expert on public international law, said that Israel had no right to take military action.
That is also supported by Mark Klamberg at Stockholm University.
Hugo Tiberg, professor in maritime law, states that Israel had no right to attack the ships.
Canadian scholar Michael Byers notes that the event would only be legal if the Israeli boarding were necessary and proportionate for the country's self defence. Byers believes that "the action does not appear to have been necessary in that the threat was not imminent."
The UK Times's defence editor wrote that "Israel may face problems justifying the legality of its decision", not least because "[U]nder the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the high seas are regarded as not belonging to any nation". While boarding a vessel is acceptable in some circumstances, Israel still needed to seek permission from Turkey.
Jason Alderwick, a maritime analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies of London, is quoted as saying that the Israeli raid did not appear to have been conducted lawfully under the convention.
I heard that report on the radio when driving to work. I'm still not sure what actually has been found. But if detonators were found, that would raise serious concerns. Once the results of inspections are available, I believe more will be known. For now, the conditional "if" applies.
As with the passengers on the sixth ship, I don't know what the full number was. I believe it will be possible to sort through them, determining who might have knowledge about the ship's cargo, who may have committed violence, etc. Of course, if others refuse to cooperate, that process will take longer. Those who were involved in the violence and those who might have knowledge about weapons should be detained. Afterward, if no weapons were found, then the latter group could be released. Those responsible for violence should be prosecuted.