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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Seems to me Israel has pretty much scored an own goal with this fiasco.
    I almost feel sorry for Israel, it just cannot get a break.

    Killing civilians on ships under the flag of a NATO member and done in IW? I don't recall the last time I've seen a country so utterly devoted to ensuring its isolation from the world.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If the UN cannot be regarded as impartial, then who can? --snip-- Perhaps you believe that no investigation of the raids and the deaths is necessary.
    I think you're misreading jujuman13 in this case.

    The UN Security Council has issued a statement calling for an impartial inquiry into Israel's raid on a flotilla of Gaza-bound aid ships.

    The statement said the investigation should be "prompt, impartial, credible and transparent".

    --snip--

    The statement was the result of a compromise between Turkey and the United States, with Turkey reluctant to water down its trenchant criticism of Israel while the United States, Israel's closest ally, wanted to temper the language used, says the BBC's UN correspondent Barbara Plett in New York.

    Turkey is furious at the commando raid, which targeted a Turkish ship and appeared to have killed mostly Turkish activists, our correspondent says.

    The compromise took out direct condemnation of Israel and removed references to an international investigation, our correspondent adds.

    It also weakened demands for an end to the economic blockade of Gaza that the activists were trying to break, but the incident has refocused international attention on the siege and many states have renewed calls for it to be lifted, she says.

    --snip--

    That means that almost 600 people, from several countries, are still being held in detention centres across Israel and are being questioned by the authorities.

    Israel has imposed an information blackout, making it difficult to gather first-hand accounts from the campaigners.

    UN urges inquiry
    Pretty conclusive "own goal" by Israel so far. Relations with Turkey has soured ever since the collective punishment of the citizens of Gaza started 3 years ago and this has just put the nail into that coffin, most of Europe condemns the actions and the rest of the world seems to agree.

    It's left to the US to back Israel once again, my only surprise was that the US actually didn't use its veto and whitewash the whole incident.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    UN urges inquiry into Israel convoy raid
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    BBC News - UN urges inquiry into Israel convoy raid

    Naturally with the UN looking into this incident, they can hardly be called Neutral, thus whatever conclusion they arrive at will be clouded by their own beliefs which seem to favor any Nation excepting Israel.
    Do you seriously think the IDF would be more neutral?????????

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    I think the Israeli government has gone too far. There were many other incidents which shook me considerably, but this one is very troubling. Attacking humanitarian aid people and calling them people trying to "delegitimate" Israel. Calling an aid ship an "enemy ship, intruding into Israeli waters"....My, my, what arrogance.
    Also, the US just watched the incident without batting an eye, while it roared in anger when NK tested nukes which killed nobody (I'm not pro-North Korean)......
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    That is what people said over the passport thing .....and you are right, nothing happened. My hope is that it does manage to get some change to open Gaza. It's seaports could be opened with European or other supervision. There are very few rocket attacks so that is not what is keeping the blockade going. It is purely political and the longer it stays the more Hamasified Gaza becomes. They need to get out and start mixing and earning an ordinary living again.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There comes a time in every country's life where they stop being the oppressed and become the oppressor.
    Whenever you show up, I just know the hackery will be escalated. I wasn't disappointed. Did you listen to the Israeli side of the story before you started hating? No you didn't. The Israeli soldiers went onboard unarmed initially to ask the ship to be inspected.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How does that make it okay? See my avatar for more info.
    Well we clearly have a different view on this. I do not know your age but many changes happened because people were willing to put in a stand against what was. You will find this in the suffragette movement, civil rights movement, CND and so on. Civil disobedience is where people are willing to make a stand despite risk because they believe that what they are working for is worth that. A green peace boat got shot at and possibly destroyed by France when involved in such action. What is, is not always, what is right. Civil disobedience has gone out of fashion but it is a powerful force for change. Note how everyone is talking about how the situation in Gaza must change now and that includes in Israel, certainly by the news reports I have heard.

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    Again, the fact that their end goal might be laudatory from one's perspective is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the way they went about it was appropriate. As to the number of people involved in the incident, I'm sure we'll learn more in the coming days.
    For everything apart from the violence including as I hear people choosing detention rather than deportation, it is appropriate for their objective.

    For the violence, I need to find out more. The best strategy is always complete pacifism in such situations. We know one Brit is among the injured. Like all the killed and injured, this is not good.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    For those who are interested, the text of the UN Security Council's Presidential can be found at: BBC News - UN statement on Israel's Gaza aid ships raid

    IMO, the Statement is badly unbalanced and is symptomatic that the excessive bias that has long pervaded the UN General Assembly and various UN bodies has begun to spread into the Security Council. On one hand, it calls for "a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards" (something I agree with and believe is very much in Israel's interests; if the statement only included that call and expressed regret over the loss of life, it would have been appropriate, but it didn't). On the other, it rushes to judgment before such an investigation has even been undertaken and "condemns those acts which resulted in the loss of at least ten civilians and many wounded" without acknowledging any of the violence by the crew that instigated the whole incident. It also calls for "the immediate release of the ships as well as the civilians held by Israel." That, too, is an unacceptable act of interference with Israel's sovereignty. The small number of individuals who started the violence should be prosecuted accordingly. If, in fact, weapons were present on the ship, those on the particular ship should also be prosecuted for transporting illicit weapons.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    The link below asks an interesting question. Israel forcefully boarded a ship of another nation Turkey in International Waters. What will happen if Turkey decides to send another ship but next time with a military escort. Interesting question.

    YouTube - Inside Story: A look into the aid flotilla attack by Israel
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For those who are interested, the text of the UN Security Council's Presidential can be found at: BBC News - UN statement on Israel's Gaza aid ships raid

    The small number of individuals who started the violence should be prosecuted accordingly. If, in fact, weapons were present on the ship, those on the particular ship should also be prosecuted for transporting illicit weapons.

    I think the weapons were sticks and iron rods which were on the boat. Some people apparently also had knifes. Apart from that I have seen some marbles and a few catapults.

    I watched a CNN video where they had an expert who talked through the Israel movie. He pointed out that when the first man was getting near the ship from a helicopter the Israelis set off some harmless explosion, can't remember the name, to divert the passengers attention. One of the things I am interested in, is whether the people believed they were under attack. The explosion may well have led them to believe this.
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