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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    NolaMan then what is this about then, So Iseral can get away with anything? I think not with as many people, and states that are effect by this they are calling for an end to the blockaid.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So you're telling me that if this scenario had played out identically, but 24 miles from Israel's coast, you and everyone else who's up in arms about this would have no problem with what happened?

    Somehow I doubt that it's the distance from shore that is causing all the agitation.
    The true source of the agitation for these poeple is pretty obvious. Heaven forbid that it ever be named, though.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    NolaMan then what is this about then, So Iseral can get away with anything? I think not with as many people, and states that are effect by this they are calling for an end to the blockaid.
    A lot of people hate Israel regardless of what they do and would be more than willing to protest at any time. I think this will ultimately be a flash in the pan so to speak, and it will bring about nothing that actually changes anything.

    And calling for an end to the blockade is not really "new" news. This gives them something to point to for awhile, but I doubt Israel actually caves on the issue, or if they do, it will be set right back up after the first rocket attack.

    A whole lot of people protested against the Iraq War... didn't mean anything.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The true source of the agitation for these poeple is pretty obvious. Heaven forbid that it ever be named, though.
    You're absolutely right.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Incorrect. Israel has no authority to inspect a humanitarian vessel in international waters. If they were in Israeli territorial waters, then legally they had a right to forcefully board the ship. However, they boarded the humanitarian ship in international waters, well out of Israel's jurisdiction.
    The standard applies to "neutral waters." Neutral waters are defined as "the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States." Was the flotilla in Lebanese or Egyptian waters at the time of the incident? There is no evidence that it was in the waters of any other state. Hence, the visit/inspection was lawful.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Alexa,

    The situation will need to be investigated. All evidence will need to be examined.

    Under 48(b), all that would be required is for Israel to be able to demonstrate that the ship's crew resisted the inspection. Medical records relating to the soldiers' injuries should help provide sufficient evidence. The International Red Cross can potentially assist on that front. When the individuals responsible for the violence are prosecuted, as they should be, additional information could be revealed.

    What was found on the ship could address 48(a).

    But only one of those conditions need to be satisfied.

    In the meantime, a measure of patience will be required. One cannot immediately know all the facts.
    Your sincerity is never in any doubt with me. I have misgivings. My misgivings come from the time when soldiers complained about how things that happened in the 2009 Gaza war and they were discredited and other such things.

    In addition because the law on whether they could board or not seems to be very questionable, it will be Israel deciding.

    Also Israel took over the ship.......I am sorry but for me unless there is really proof, I will take the inquiry with a pinch of salt.

    If there is proof, then it will be different.

    But hey, I am always like that. People are always innocent with me till proven guilty. One I can remember was a school caretaker arrested for the murder of two young girls here. He was not guilty to me but as the trial went on he definitely became guilty to me, as indeed he was.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The standard applies to "neutral waters." Neutral waters are defined as "the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States." Was the flotilla in Lebanese or Egyptian waters at the time of the incident? There is no evidence that it was in the waters of any other state. Hence, the visit/inspection was lawful.
    They can't invoke international law if they haven't signed the treaty that defined the law.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So you're telling me that if this scenario had played out identically, but 24 miles from Israel's coast, you and everyone else who's up in arms about this would have no problem with what happened?

    Somehow I doubt that it's the distance from shore that is causing all the agitation.
    It's not just the fact that it was done in international waters, away from Israeli jurisdiction. It's the fact that they even attempted to forcefully board a humanitarian ship instead of rerouting it. There were half a dozen choices that could've been made. Don't blame me because Israel chose the most stupid one.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They can't invoke international law if they haven't signed the treaty that defined the law.

    This isn't really an argument against what happened. If I refuse to sign a treaty that would limit my actions, that doesn't mean that I can't continue to do everything that I was able to to in the absence of the treaty.

    Unless you can show that this treaty gave additional authority to those who signed it, then the fact that Israel didn't sign this treaty doesn't mean much of anything.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Try again with a credible report. If territory can be acquired through defensive war, no one would object to Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem. That is not the case, and no nation recognizes that illegal annexation.

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