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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I didn't say that, which you know damn well.

    I said they have as much authority to do what they're doing as the Somali pirates have to do what they're doing.

    Nice try with the strawman, though.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Unfortunately, a whole lot of international law is essentially the foundation by which:
    • Victorious nations can justify their actions
    • Vanquished nations can accuse the victors and justify their insurgencies
    • Bystanders can criticize either or both sides


    There isn't a sovereign nation on the face of the earth that would willingly submit to an "unbiased" third party.
    Assuming there is such a thing as an "unbiased" third party.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You're the one with the strawman, I was just looking to see if it was.
    I have made a solid point, for which you have no mature response.

    "I know you are but what am I" is not a legitimate debate tactic.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    BBC News - Where next for under-pressure Israel?

    People are protesting outside of every Israeli embassy

    The world speaks out against Israel.

    Internatioal outrage. .
    Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 05-31-10 at 09:52 PM.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Assuming there is such a thing as an "unbiased" third party.
    Exactly -- and even if there was, who would trust them to be truly unbiased, when most people's interpretation of "unbiased" is "someone who agrees with me?"
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Unfortunately, a whole lot of international law is essentially the foundation by which:
    • Victorious nations can justify their actions
    • Vanquished nations can accuse the victors and justify their insurgencies
    • Bystanders can criticize either or both sides


    There isn't a sovereign nation on the face of the earth that would willingly submit to an "unbiased" third party.
    I accept that. However it also means I cannot believe anything unless there is real proof. I think that will also be most of the world's view. (Bye the way I noticed that other thread about Israel having nuclear submarines off the coast of Iran. I hope this is not all a distraction. )
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    BBC News - Where next for under-pressure Israel?

    People are protesting outside of every Israeli embassy

    The world speaks out against Israel.

    Internatioal outrage. .
    I really don't see much actually coming from any of this anger.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I accept that. However it also means I cannot believe anything unless there is real proof. I think that will also be most of the world's view.
    Each side will believe the sources it chooses to believe, and all will remain as it was before.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    (Bye the way I noticed that other thread about Israel having nuclear submarines off the coast of Iran. I hope this is not all a distraction. )
    Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Alexa,

    The situation will need to be investigated. All evidence will need to be examined.

    Under 48(b), all that would be required is for Israel to be able to demonstrate that the ship's crew resisted the inspection. Medical records relating to the soldiers' injuries should help provide sufficient evidence. The International Red Cross can potentially assist on that front. When the individuals responsible for the violence are prosecuted, as they should be, additional information could be revealed.

    What was found on the ship could address 48(a).

    But only one of those conditions need to be satisfied.

    In the meantime, a measure of patience will be required. One cannot immediately know all the facts.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I really don't see much actually coming from any of this anger.
    That is what people said over the passport thing .....and you are right, nothing happened. My hope is that it does manage to get some change to open Gaza. It's seaports could be opened with European or other supervision. There are very few rocket attacks so that is not what is keeping the blockade going. It is purely political and the longer it stays the more Hamasified Gaza becomes. They need to get out and start mixing and earning an ordinary living again.
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