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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    My opinion is that there is no side I would call "the good guys" over there. When you look at the overall conflict, it's my opinion that both sides seem to have a preference for a continued conflict, not finding some peace.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yet another refutation . . . without actually refuting the argument.
    No, this is more refusal on your part to accept international law that has been pointed out to you time after time. You guys are hopeless.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    My opinion is that there is no side I would call "the good guys" over there. When you look at the overall conflict, it's my opinion that both sides seem to have a preference for a continued conflict, not finding some peace.
    That certainly seems to be true for those ruling both. Very sad. Has to change.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    More crap..... those ships had stated they were going to run a legal blockade. By international law that gave Israel the right to stop the ships and board them..... see the the san remo memorandum.
    No, what you are spouting is pure crap.

    First, the blockade is illegal. Second, Israel has a right to stop merchant vessels who are intent on breaking a legal blockade. They have no right to board a humanitarian ship in international waters. Go reread the San Remo memo. I already posted the articles relating to humanitarian vessels and refuted the one about breaking a blockade. You have some catching up to do.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The UN considers Gaza still occupied. It is put quite well here

    Is Gaza 'occupied' territory? - CNN.com
    Unless the UNSC redescribes what is occuring as an occupation, the current definition stems from a 40 year old resolution that has no real impact on the situation today. The intent is clear as the UNSC has continually removed additional language of "occupation" from subsequent resolutions on the matter.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Well if that is what Israel is interested in, it is going about it the wrong way. At the moment the best chance of earning a living in Gaza is working for Hamas. I recently read that where they used to fire them to, Sderot I think, used to be homes to a lot of their families before they had to leave. Things are not nearly as cut and dried as you want to imagine.

    The blockade is only building up more and more terrorists for the future. There are adults there now who have never been out.

    It is so not necessary for Israel's security to keep this city cut off from the rest of the world. Psychologically it is extremely damaging and the longer it goes on the more normal it seems and hence the more damage is done.
    Do you know how many times Israel has given up territory for peace? Territory they won in war after being attacked by almost every Arab country in 1967. Has it worked? Maybe you just want they to cut their own throats? That would give them peace.

    Your efforts to paint Israel as the aggressor in the Middle East shows your complete lack of knowledge of the history of the region.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Do you know how many times Israel has given up territory for peace? Territory they won in war after being attacked by almost every Arab country in 1967. Has it worked? Maybe you just want they to cut their own throats? That would give them peace.

    Your efforts to paint Israel as the aggressor in the Middle East shows your complete lack of knowledge of the history of the region.
    There is no such thing as acquiring territory from winning a war. I thought you actually knew a miniscule amount of international law, but I see I was clearly mistaken.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    The counter argument is that Gaza is "under seige" fron air, land, sea etc, but is not an occupied territory, and by extension the laws governing how occupying powers must act does not apply in this case in its entirety.

    The High Court in Israel has actually ruled on this issue, stating,
    Yup.... the only responsibility Israel has is to protect their own citizens from the attacks that originate from there..... hence the blockade.

    BTW..... Egypt is also blockading Gaza, wonder why?
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Unless the UNSC redescribes what is occuring as an occupation, the current definition stems from a 40 year old resolution that has no real impact on the situation today. The intent is clear as the UNSC has continually removed additional language of "occupation" from subsequent resolutions on the matter.
    Well it may be technically difficult to describe because you never usually find a city isolated in the world without control of it's airspace, boundaries and even seaport. People have been calling it occupied for years. It may be a hazy one in law. It is certainly under siege.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    [QUOTE=Degreez;1058779898]Seriously...?

    Except one cannot exclude Clause 48:

    48. Vessels listed in paragraph 47 are exempt from attack only if they:

    (a) are innocently employed in their normal role;
    (b) submit to identification and inspection when required...


    The ship in question may not have been "innocently employed in their normal role" as there have been reports that weapons were found on board. We'll see if those reports are confirmed. In addition, the ship's crew engaged in violence in refusing to "submit to...inspection when required." Hence, it lost the protection set forth in Clause 47.

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