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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The soldiers boarded a ship that they had every right to board, since the flotilla had announced to the world they were going to attempt to run the blockade.
    the illegal and illegitimate blockade. And only a few Israeli contest the illegality of the boardings.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    If 'such is not evidence' then maybe the whole thing has not happened, you may wonder where Al-Jahzeera based its death toll on. Reasonability, without it, everything's unclear. Sometimes things are just what they seem to be. Let's assume, for now, that the writing describes what happens in the video shall we?
    Footage which is so unclear that it needs writing to say what it apparently is and is produced on Youtube is certainly not sufficient evidence. It is unclear footage that someone has attached words to. I could not even make out if what was written was true. On top of that you would need to see what was really happening, but hey if for you one and a half minutes on youtube which is so unclear is sufficient for you to make a decision on something, I will take note.
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    I did, you were in favor of that decission?
    As I didn't even support the Falklands what makes you think I would support probably the most controversial thing that happened. However this thread is not on the Falklands. You seemed to be wanting to have a go at me, my country, with the Falklands. This is not personal, just like the Falklands were not personal to me and given I did not support them, even less so.

    (Edit. Sorry, miss read that you had missed it)
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    the illegal and illegitimate blockade. And only a few Israeli contest the illegality of the boardings.
    The legality of the Gaza blockade itself is only matched by the audacity of an assault on aid ships in International waters by a nation that refuses to sign international agreements it calls on when it suits. There's a horrible situation here on this forum whereby Israeli commandos are the "victims" and not the citizens of Gaza who are on the end of "collective punishment" - a process outlawed under Geneva Conventions. (International Law)

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    The legality of the Gaza blockade itself is only matched by the audacity of an assault on aid ships in International waters by a nation that refuses to sign international agreements it calls on when it suits. There's a horrible situation here on this forum whereby Israeli commandos are the "victims" and not the citizens of Gaza who are on the end of "collective punishment" - a process outlawed under Geneva Conventions. (International Law)
    Pretty much.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Seriously what's the point of arguing about it? The truth shall never be the truth now because you're all going to politicize this til the cows come home and neither side will give in to the truth, because they'll believe the truth was fabricated to support one side or the other.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    It should be noted that the video should be used in combination with other evidence. By itself, it offers just a slice of evidence. The full body of evidence will provide the facts as to what happened. Several quick things:

    1) The video shows some of what was taking place.
    2) Hospital records related to the treatment of the injured soldiers will provide evidence as to how the soldiers were injured i.e., beaten, stabbed, shot.
    3) Interviews with some of those detained may shed additional light on what happened.
    4) The results of the examination of the cargo of the ship in question e.g., if the ship was carrying illicit weapons, the resistance of ship's crew might have been expected as such individuals could be subject to prosecution.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    So you are boarded in the high seas and not just by people from other boats which would require some time, but by people coming down from helicopters and you do not believe you are under attack?

    I would be thinking SAS, guns are going to start firing. SAS for me because I am British but I can see no reason to board a ship from a helicopter if there is not a sense of urgency. Army and sense of urgency means bullets flying.
    The passengers on the ship knew exactly who was boarding and why they were boarding. They had been warned it would happen. Accessing from a "ship to ship" avenue would have been much more exposed/dangerous for the Israeli soldiers. The helicopter decision should have been an easy one to make.


    This is speculation.
    Second part of my statement can be considered speculation. First part is pretty well documented.


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The passengers on the ship knew exactly who was boarding and why they were boarding. They had been warned it would happen.
    They had indeed. I read some pretty scary warnings myself

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post

    Accessing from a "ship to ship" avenue would have been much more exposed/dangerous for the Israeli soldiers.
    What exactly did you think these people were carrying? This makes it sound like you believe that Israel believed it was in for a fight. Such beliefs frequently create the situation, one way or another.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post

    The helicopter decision should have been an easy one to make.
    Then why have I seen pictures of Israeli approaching boats by boat? I stay by what I said. Descending from the sky would have scared the hell out of me. I think they had every reason to believe they were under attack particularly when this was done in International waters - no not particularly because it was in International waters, it would have been extremely scary anyway, but it is worse because it was.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    IMHO this is akin to aiding and abetting terrorism in that it alleviates pressure on Hamas while simultaneously putting pressure on Israel. I just can't find any sympathy for a people who voted for an organization which calls for the extermination of world Jewry. I would no more cry for the poor "Palestinians" as I would for the poor Germans during WW2 suffering under the allied Air Campaign.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post



    What exactly did you think these people were carrying?

    If you mean the "relief ships"...... like, maybe weapons? It's not like the people in Gaza have ever attacked Israel is it?... and beings the ships came from Turkey, that should be a dead give away that no weapons could ever be suspected aboard..... Right?
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