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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    It wasn't friendly fire as the cover up says it was they freaking new it was an American ship in the first place. They had people warn them it was an American ship. Actually look in to this story, since the official story doesn't even add up when you put these testimonials in to accounts.


    From actual eyewitness testimonials reports say Israel even fired at people trying to fight fires on the ship.


    The report on the crimes of what the Israeli's did to the Liberty.
    You are talking apples and oranges. THIS event has absolutely nothing to do with the USS Liiberty, which is another topic entirely. Whether or not Israel did something wrong there can be discussed in it's own thread, rather than attempting to hijack this one.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They didn't have the legal authority to do what they did in international waters.
    Of course they did. The flotilla was not comprised of ships that were immune from being visited and inspected. And, if some of the latest news reports are accurate, the ship in question where the incident took place, may well have been attempting to smuggle weapons to the Gaza Strip. If so, the attack against the boarding soldiers that took place is not surprising, as those on that ship would be liable to be prosecuted for running weapons.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Of course they did. The flotilla was not comprised of ships that were immune from being visited and inspected. And, if some of the latest news reports are accurate, the ship in question where the incident took place, may well have been attempting to smuggle weapons to the Gaza Strip. If so, the attack against the boarding soldiers that took place is not surprising, as those on that ship would be liable to be prosecuted for running weapons.
    If they are not a signatory on the treaty that would've granted them the legal authority, they didn't have the legal authority.

    You don't get the rights and protections of international law unless you also agree to be restricted by it.

    In this case, the only legal authority Israel had was the kind it made up for itself.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If they are not a signatory on the treaty that would've granted them the legal authority, they didn't have the legal authority.

    You don't get the rights and protections of international law unless you also agree to be restricted by it.

    In this case, the only legal authority Israel had was the kind it made up for itself.
    The Law of the Sea Convention (LOSC) is based on customary international law, including the Hague Conventions. It does not "create" authority for visiting/inspecting ships. It only defines what is permissible. Whether one is or is not a signatory of the Convention does not mean that one lacks authority to visit/inspect ships. Such authority existed prior to the LOSC.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If they are not a signatory on the treaty that would've granted them the legal authority, they didn't have the legal authority.

    You don't get the rights and protections of international law unless you also agree to be restricted by it.

    In this case, the only legal authority Israel had was the kind it made up for itself.
    So by this argument, and International law, Israel was fully justified in their actions...... thanx for playing.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    how dare the international community attempt to provide humanitarian aid to an oppressed people under seige

    why would israel agree to transport the ship's goods to gaza when it has imposed a seige against the transportation of those goods to gaza. that makes no sense - but it aids israel's propaganda efforts

    israel was stupid to pull this stunt the day after the UN resolution condemning its failure to comply with the NPT ... world opposition to its government will only increase as a result of these actions
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Sad for all these poeple to loose there lives,it would be good if they can join together as the eu as one,also to make money.


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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think an argument could be made that dropping them in from helicopters (at night I believe, which is even worse), increases the chance of problems. I believe that boarding from boats would have been safer and less likely to cause an escalation.
    If I was in the ship and people started coming down from helicopters, I would probably be under the bed. If however I was of braver disposition, I would be arming myself and prepared for attack.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    Just another facet to add to all the opinions from the "flotilla event" this morning. Believe the Israeli commanders deserve at least a little credit for tempering their response from what it could have been. If those had been my troops that dropped down the ropes and were getting somewhat savagely beaten, my inclination would have been to unleash a fury that would have left many more of the flotilla team injured or dead.

    Not trying to sound melodramatic. Just offering some kudos to the Israeli military not reacting more so than they did.....


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