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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

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    In addition to paint ball, were they not armed with pistols/rifles?
    Only sidearms as I understand it.

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    what would you deem a necessary level of firepower for the boarding of a ship? just for perspective reasons.....
    That depends on many factors. The level of firepower increases exponentially with the threat level. In a scenario such as this, lightly armed should suffice.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I wondered when Obama would get dragged into this.

    He has nothing to do with the topic.
    You are of course quite correct, Obama could never have thought this one up. Pelosi would say this is all Bush's fault.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Footage now released by the IDF boats show the boarding troops being attacked as they land on the largest ship, individual commandos are attacked and one is thrown overboard - however they have boarded a ship in international waters. There is now a UN Security Council meeting but I fully expect the US to block anything critical of Israel or any attempt to put forward any independent enquiry.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are dead wrong on that. The floatilla announced in advance that they would attempt to run a blockade. Under international law, that gives Israel the right to board the ships.

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    I'm struggling with all the bandying about of "International law" on this thread. Israel hasn't signed the UN Conventions on High Seas - (neither has Turkey so it's strange that the Turkish accuse Israel of breaking International Law) but you're throwing around (among others) that the Aid mission was attempting to break a blockade.

    Is the blockade of Gaza itself legal under "International Law?"

    Israel certainly says its blockade is legal however the UN has repeatedly asked Israel to lift the blockade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I suggest you read up on International Maritime Law (immunity from boarding) and the San Remo Conference (running a blockade).
    The ships that tried to run the British Blockade were classified at the time as "illegal" if I recall correctly?

    Israel may now have lost any support it would ever get from Turkey (I realise that relations have soured recently however) or other moderate Islamic nations and apparently Greece has just cancelled joint naval activities about to start with Israel.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    DANAHEA posted (The answer to that question is the same answer why Israel would be allowed to do the same thing, if they suspected the shipments to contain weapons. Add to that the fact that the floatilla brazenly announced that it was going to run the blockade, and your argument goes completely out the window.)

    If they suspected armaments were carried aboard then yes I have to admit that this would be excuse enough.

    Naturally when the Israeli's unload these ships in Ashdod Arms will be found.
    Boxes of cold weapons were already found, including boxes filled with long knives.
    This specific ship was planning this all along, and I wonder if the rest of the activists knew about it.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    i cannot believe that you realy think that israel has honestly murderd those people!plz listen to me... i live in israel, my boyfriend is in the army and i know exactly what is going on... for several days the idf has warn those shipes n-o-t to come to gaza. we were afraid that the shipes contain weapons and armory that can harm our citizens and soilders. i remind you that evry country has the right to defend it self. we even offered them to anchor in ashdod,so that we could check the supplies and pass it over to gaza. but the shipes refused- is it not suspicious? the shipe was going to enter our teritory and we were afraide 4 our citizens- it could even exploud! the idf had warn them for days that we will enter the boat if they would not let us check the suspicious but our intentions are pure and not harmfoul. our soilders, while sliding down those ropes were packing paint guns and just in case the hand guns were in the back cuz there were no intention of using them at all (!!!!!). while coming down,they were ripped away from the rope and bitten with fists, knifes, clubs, long crow bar-type pole and they were shot with guns!!! each soilder was surrounded with 3-5 guys that beat the hell out of them! all of the soilders were hert! those unfortunate soilders had no chance of survivel! they had to defend them shelf- it was kill or be killed! this wasn't a humanitarian shipe, they acted like terorists and they were armd with weapons!!!! just so u know- we found boxes with guns and ammunition on the shipes so what kind of humanitery cruz whas it?! i'll tell you. the one that hamas orgenized deliberately to draw attention to gaza and believe me hamas dose not give a damn obout the lost lifes... but i can ensure u, they are smuged that their plan worked and we all played into theire hands. it's a sad day to all of us...

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not finding any reference to this in any of the stories I am reading. Can you source where the ships where carrying automatic weapons and explosives?
    It was on the National Post but got pulled for some reason. Please read the new Israeli's post 236 made by Nataly22, and here is what Fox says where there is a reference to the ship carrying arms. I don't think this ship was expecting the Somali Pirates, do you?

    FOXNews.com - Netanyahu Cancels Visit as White House Regrets Loss of Life Following Israel Flotilla Conflict
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by nataly22 View Post
    i cannot believe that you realy think that israel has honestly murderd those people!plz listen to me...
    I wouldn't argue the Israelis were murderers.

    I would argue that they were morons.

    They had no legal authority to do what they did, the moral authority to do what they did was shaky at best, and above all else the Israelis basically walked into a political trap.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Funny, how I got a report about a thread ban even thought I was telling the truth it amusing to say the least. The official story of the USS liberty doesn't add up when you put up other testimonials found by actual people that were their at the time. I have stated facts from people who were on the ship at the time of the attack. Which can be found here
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Israel is not a signatory to the Law of the Sea Convention
    They didn't have the legal authority to do what they did in international waters.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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