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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by ANOTHER_ANGRY_AMERICAN View Post
    Hamas is nothing more then a bunch of Muslim pig Terrorists Israel has every right to defend it's self.
    Too bad the ASSCLOWN obama won't defend our borders from Terrorists and Criminals
    And fail we name them a terroist orgztion during the time of the election that we forced them too go throught, because Iseral didn't like how the election went.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    For me there looks to be no justification for Israeli Commandos to board the ship, lets alone whilst in International waters.
    Trying to justify whether the appropriate level of force was used is immaterial because of this point. The very fact that Israeli troops were fighting against 'persons with knifes/bars and a ceased weapon does in NO way suggest those on board were expecting, or preparing for, some kind of battle. If they were indeed ready for a fight i,m sure the protesters would have been appropriately armed.
    Also, another PR disaster by the Israeli Government.

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    There was at least one assult rifle firing on the soldiers, 2 pistols were grabed from the soldiers and used against them as well. The first soldier who slide down the rope was jumped by 4-6 people and thrown over the bar to the bottom deck, their own footage clearly shows people with crawbars preforming a lynch in a soldier, the UAV footage shows a molotov cocktail thrown on the soldiers, two soldiers are suffering from gunshot wounds, two from fructured skull. Those weren't harmless peace activists
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by ANOTHER_ANGRY_AMERICAN View Post
    Hamas is nothing more then a bunch of Muslim pig Terrorists Israel has every right to defend it's self.
    Too bad the ASSCLOWN obama won't defend our borders from Terrorists and Criminals
    I wondered when Obama would get dragged into this.

    He has nothing to do with the topic.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I wondered when Obama would get dragged into this.
    I didn't do it

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    There was at least one assult rifle firing on the soldiers, 2 pistols were grabed from the soldiers and used against them as well. The first soldier who slide down the rope was jumped by 4-6 people and thrown over the bar to the bottom deck, their own footage clearly shows people with crawbars preforming a lynch in a soldier, the UAV footage shows a molotov cocktail thrown on the soldiers, two soldiers are suffering from gunshot wounds, two from fructured skull. Those weren't harmless peace activists
    Which could easily be edit to make the actives look bad, and the fact an 85 year holocaust survivor was aboard the frotlia at the time of this incident is another reason I doubt the claims of the spin version that the IDF says..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_595239.html

    It was botched raid in international waters in another thing I find that you are messing as well. This fortilla was highly publicized, and clearly posed no threat too the security of the Israelite people they had no right too attack the ship in international water which would be consider piracy by international law.

    I think this was somehow a botched show of force, but it backed fired on them, or they new externally what was on those ship, and are trying too do damage control with the Internationale community like they did with the USS Liberty. This smells just like a new US Liberty in my own opinion.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have often called Israel's tactics heavy-handed and needless, but in this instance, I have to side with Israel.

    1) All Israel was demanding was that the shipments to Gaza be inspected. In the past, shipments have been diverted to Israel, which inspected them to make sure there were no weapons, then the shipments were sent into Gaza. Some shipments have been held up, but that is because weapons were found in them.
    Not true. Building material has been limited big time into the Gaza strip as well as many other things. Dont believe everything you hear on US news and from the IDF, it is usually far from the truth, just as the information from Al Jazerra (in Arabic) and other Arabic news outlets are highly biased.

    2) Also, when Israel boarded the main ship, their soldiers were immediately attacked, and the soldiers responded. This is what accounts for the deaths and injuries.
    Of course, pirates were attacking the ship.. they have a right to defend themselves. Or dont you accept this just because they are Palestinian supporters? Does that mean you also oppose companies and countries defending themselves off the coast of Somalia? Or else where around the world where pirates attack ships in international waters or even in non-international waters?

    Let us not forget that the Palestinians have never recognized Israel's right to exist,
    They have long ago. Hamas is another thing, but the PLO accepted Israel's right to exist long ago.... 1988 I believe. This was done when the Palestinians accepted a two state solution.

    and have never stopped planning and carrying out attacks on Israel.
    And Israel continues to build new settlements, steal land and cut off Palestinians in the west bank with large walls and security fences. On top of that there is nothing done about the radical settlers that attack and beat up Palestinians on a daily basis and of course the racist attitudes of the IDF in the West Bank.

    Both sides are at fault.. that is a fact.

    That does give Israel the right to inspect shipments in order to make sure that they consist of humanitarian supplies, and that no weapons are hidden among them. IMHO, that is not too much to ask for.
    The hell it does. Isreal has NO bloody right to inspect shipments in international waters.. sure if the boats were in Israeli waters then that is their right, but they were not as far as I know and what has been reported. Not even the US under freaking Bush boarded suspected weapons ships in international waters for god sake.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course, pirates were attacking the ship.. they have a right to defend themselves. Or dont you accept this just because they are Palestinian supporters? Does that mean you also oppose companies and countries defending themselves off the coast of Somalia? Or else where around the world where pirates attack ships in international waters or even in non-international waters?
    just on that point, Israel had a legal right to board that ship, as it had the clearly stated purpose of violating a blockade, and was given warning to turn aside or be boarded

    Mark Regev, spokesman for the Prime Minister of Israel, has stated that "the San Remo memorandum states, specifically 67A, that if you have a boat that is charging a blockaded area you are allowed to intercept even prior to it reaching the blockaded area if you've warned them in advance, and that we did a number of times and they had a stated goal which they openly expressed, of breaking the blockade. That blockade is in place to protect our people."[55] The San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea was adopted in June 1994 after a series of round tables of naval and legal experts convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. In paragraph 67 it permits belligerents to attack merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture". Paragraph 146 permits the capture of neutral merchant vessels outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67.[56]
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do you realize that over 10 soldiers were injured, two of them seriously injured?

    They were shot, stabbed, and brutally lynched by a big crowd.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have often called Israel's tactics heavy-handed and needless, but in this instance, I have to side with Israel.

    1) All Israel was demanding was that the shipments to Gaza be inspected. In the past, shipments have been diverted to Israel, which inspected them to make sure there were no weapons, then the shipments were sent into Gaza. Some shipments have been held up, but that is because weapons were found in them.

    2) Also, when Israel boarded the main ship, their soldiers were immediately attacked, and the soldiers responded. This is what accounts for the deaths and injuries.

    Let us not forget that the Palestinians have never recognized Israel's right to exist, and have never stopped planning and carrying out attacks on Israel. That does give Israel the right to inspect shipments in order to make sure that they consist of humanitarian supplies, and that no weapons are hidden among them. IMHO, that is not too much to ask for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I believe your video shows those peaceful activists lynching soldiers and attacking them with crowbars?
    Besides, do you seriously believe the soldiers have shot themselves?
    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    There was at least one assult rifle firing on the soldiers, 2 pistols were grabed from the soldiers and used against them as well. The first soldier who slide down the rope was jumped by 4-6 people and thrown over the bar to the bottom deck, their own footage clearly shows people with crawbars preforming a lynch in a soldier, the UAV footage shows a molotov cocktail thrown on the soldiers, two soldiers are suffering from gunshot wounds, two from fructured skull. Those weren't harmless peace activists
    Do you agree that it was in international waters?

    If the answer is yes, then Israel is the agressor since they didn't have the right to board the ships, while the ships (which would probably have broken the blockade later) had not done anything illegal before being boarded.

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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not true. Building material has been limited big time into the Gaza strip as well as many other things. Dont believe everything you hear on US news and from the IDF, it is usually far from the truth, just as the information from Al Jazerra (in Arabic) and other Arabic news outlets are highly biased.



    Of course, pirates were attacking the ship.. they have a right to defend themselves. Or dont you accept this just because they are Palestinian supporters? Does that mean you also oppose companies and countries defending themselves off the coast of Somalia? Or else where around the world where pirates attack ships in international waters or even in non-international waters?



    They have long ago. Hamas is another thing, but the PLO accepted Israel's right to exist long ago.... 1988 I believe. This was done when the Palestinians accepted a two state solution.



    And Israel continues to build new settlements, steal land and cut off Palestinians in the west bank with large walls and security fences. On top of that there is nothing done about the radical settlers that attack and beat up Palestinians on a daily basis and of course the racist attitudes of the IDF in the West Bank.

    Both sides are at fault.. that is a fact.



    The hell it does. Isreal has NO bloody right to inspect shipments in international waters.. sure if the boats were in Israeli waters then that is their right, but they were not as far as I know and what has been reported. Not even the US under freaking Bush boarded suspected weapons ships in international waters for god sake.
    Israel has done nothing illegal there.
    There is nothing that forbids Israeli from inspecting ships on international waters when they declare that they intend to break the blockade and supply Gaza with uninspected materials.
    Not to mention that soldiers have every right to respond with live fire when they're being engaged with live fire, they weren't even equipped for a live-ammunition battle, their pistols were the only thing available and they were told to use it only at the risk of life.

    One of the soldiers who was lynched by 6-8 of them has nearly lost his life before he has managed to pull out his pistol while on the ground and shoot the legs of those who were beating him with crowbars, it was insane.
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    Re: Israel intercepts Gaza flotilla, says Hamas

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The hell it does. Isreal has NO bloody right to inspect shipments in international waters.. sure if the boats were in Israeli waters then that is their right, but they were not as far as I know and what has been reported. Not even the US under freaking Bush boarded suspected weapons ships in international waters for god sake.
    You should brush up on maritime law and immunity from boarding. Try post #58.

    The US Navy frequently boards ships in international waters inspecting for illicit drugs, counterfeit commercial goods, black-market weapons, nuclear proliferation materials, and human cargo (slave ships).

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