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It was botched raid in international waters in another thing I find that you are messing as well. This fortilla was highly publicized, and clearly posed no threat too the security of the Israelite people they had no right too attack the ship in international water which would be consider piracy by international law.
I think this was somehow a botched show of force, but it backed fired on them, or they new externally what was on those ship, and are trying too do damage control with the Internationale community like they did with the USS Liberty. This smells just like a new US Liberty in my own opinion.
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Of course, pirates were attacking the ship.. they have a right to defend themselves. Or dont you accept this just because they are Palestinian supporters? Does that mean you also oppose companies and countries defending themselves off the coast of Somalia? Or else where around the world where pirates attack ships in international waters or even in non-international waters?2) Also, when Israel boarded the main ship, their soldiers were immediately attacked, and the soldiers responded. This is what accounts for the deaths and injuries.
They have long ago. Hamas is another thing, but the PLO accepted Israel's right to exist long ago.... 1988 I believe. This was done when the Palestinians accepted a two state solution.Let us not forget that the Palestinians have never recognized Israel's right to exist,
And Israel continues to build new settlements, steal land and cut off Palestinians in the west bank with large walls and security fences. On top of that there is nothing done about the radical settlers that attack and beat up Palestinians on a daily basis and of course the racist attitudes of the IDF in the West Bank.and have never stopped planning and carrying out attacks on Israel.
Both sides are at fault.. that is a fact.
The hell it does. Isreal has NO bloody right to inspect shipments in international waters.. sure if the boats were in Israeli waters then that is their right, but they were not as far as I know and what has been reported. Not even the US under freaking Bush boarded suspected weapons ships in international waters for god sake.That does give Israel the right to inspect shipments in order to make sure that they consist of humanitarian supplies, and that no weapons are hidden among them. IMHO, that is not too much to ask for.
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from: Gaza flotilla clash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMark Regev, spokesman for the Prime Minister of Israel, has stated that "the San Remo memorandum states, specifically 67A, that if you have a boat that is charging a blockaded area you are allowed to intercept even prior to it reaching the blockaded area if you've warned them in advance, and that we did a number of times and they had a stated goal which they openly expressed, of breaking the blockade. That blockade is in place to protect our people." The San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea was adopted in June 1994 after a series of round tables of naval and legal experts convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. In paragraph 67 it permits belligerents to attack merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture". Paragraph 146 permits the capture of neutral merchant vessels outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67.
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If the answer is yes, then Israel is the agressor since they didn't have the right to board the ships, while the ships (which would probably have broken the blockade later) had not done anything illegal before being boarded.
There is nothing that forbids Israeli from inspecting ships on international waters when they declare that they intend to break the blockade and supply Gaza with uninspected materials.
Not to mention that soldiers have every right to respond with live fire when they're being engaged with live fire, they weren't even equipped for a live-ammunition battle, their pistols were the only thing available and they were told to use it only at the risk of life.
One of the soldiers who was lynched by 6-8 of them has nearly lost his life before he has managed to pull out his pistol while on the ground and shoot the legs of those who were beating him with crowbars, it was insane.
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The US Navy frequently boards ships in international waters inspecting for illicit drugs, counterfeit commercial goods, black-market weapons, nuclear proliferation materials, and human cargo (slave ships).
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